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herfacechair -> RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer your questions if you have any... (5/12/2010 12:30:07 PM)
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LaTigresse: You really are quite full of yourself aren't you?
Ever looked at your posts, as well as those that I've been debating here and elsewhere? That's precisely the same impression I get from you and others that pull your same "I know soldiers" canard... or your attempts to put our positions on equal footing.
LaTigresse: What my various (lifetime) connections with the US military are, is none of your business.
It does become my business when you reference them in your attempt to devalue my first hand accounts of what I've seen and experienced. If they're "none of my business," then you simply wouldn't mention them, or make insinuations of how they see things.
LaTigresse: However, just within my imediate family all three branches and their various components, are represented. Several with over 20 years of service. Two with multiple tours in the mideast including Iraq. One we never know for sure where he is due to the nature of his job.
First things first, there are 5 branches of service; Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard. Depending on how people see things, there are 4 if they exclude the Coast Guard, 5 if you include the Coast Guard. Four or Five, but not three. I also like your, "we don't know for sure due to the nature of his job," comment. This reeks of the "spoof" type comments some people claim, you know, top secret, can't tell you or I'll have to kill you...
You admit through this post that you've known 2 with multiple tours in the Middle East, including Iraq. This tells me that not every service member that you've came across has served in Iraq, on the ground, as you've originally implied.
I've lived with, and came across, more service members than what I could count. That's partly because I've been in the military since before the Cold War ended (Fall of the Soviet Union.) I live and work with combat deployed troops... in Iraq. Not counting this R & R of course. I get access to their views on the Iraq War and it's a fact, the majority of their views are similar mine.
It's simple common sense, your claims about what your service members say contradict with what I've experienced. So I stand by my statement that what you say contradicts common sense. You're using a strawman argument... you latch yourself to the service members that you came across, then pull things out of thin air about what they've said.
LaTigresse: On another computer in my home I have access to photos of Sadam and his capture, the hole he was living in, and the men that took him from it......taken by another person that resides in my home. I have photos of the remains of suicide bombers, and the destruction left behind.
This doesn't tell me anything, as anybody that has access to the internet can download pictures of these same scenes. I've seen pictures on the internet of hadji with his brains all over him, his car stopped short of a checkpoint, or decayed hadji on the road side. Type in "Iraq War Pictures" on Google, and you'll get a sub-link saying, "Images for Iraq War pictures." There's also a link titled, "Iraq War Casualty Pictures."
My point here is that your statement of all the pictures on your computer doesn't give you the credibility you think you have in this discussion. Even if I were to believe that someone there actually gave you those photos, it'd be a far stretch for you to come on here and insinuate that said soldier had a point of view completely different from my own.
LaTigresse: I also have photos of happy little children.......begging.
I've seen them too, not via photos but in real life. You realize that they're HAPPY because they expect CANDY do you? They have the expectation that we're going to toss candy at them. But the vast majority of the happy children that I've seen waved at us as we passed by. They weren't begging for food, or for something of value, from us.
LaTigresse: So ride off on your high horse young man.
You need to ride off in yours. Don't mistake my holding to the fact that I have recent first hand experience there, compared to those people that I'm debating with, as my being on a high horse. That's a fact that I'm going to exploit in this debate.
LaTigresse: Assume that I was in ANY way contradicting what you were blathering on about. I wasn't. I am sure what you've said is the truth as you've seen it. You completely missed my point.
What you said:
"You could talk to 10 different soldiers that have served in Iraq and you would get 10 different points of view."-LaTigresse
DIFFERENT, which implies CONTRADICTION. No, I didn't miss your point. You said what you said.
Don't try to jump on here acting like you're someone from the outside looking in. I've seen where you stand, and have debated against you, on a past thread. Your comments here are your attempt to do what everybody else on your side of the argument is doing... trying to attack my credibility, by extension, my message, instead of coming to terms to the fact that what I've seen, experienced, and understood, contradicts what you think is reality.
LaTigresse: FYI........your town SUCKS ASS. If I remember correctly, when I was there, it was the town with the highest STD rate per capita in the country. Gotta love the military!!![/quote]
I didn't even tell you what my home town was.
No wait, were you talking about Junction City, Ogden, and Manhattan KS? I don't consider them my towns. I'm originally from Minnesota, and consider that my home state. Virginia Beach is my home of record, that's where I'm at now. I've been in Iraq a lot longer than I've ever was at KS.
Also, talking about STDs, from Globe Gazette: "Reported cases of chlamydia and other sexually-transmitted diseases reached all-time highs in Iowa in 2007, according to the Iowa Department of Public Health." -
By your own definition, your state sucks ass.
But, one of the things that I liked about the place, Manhattan, is the collage aged women. [:D]
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