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whipmaker7 -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/10/2010 9:10:39 PM)

Er...umm... well, true...no kidding...no one knows who the other person is on the other side at all on the internet. So all the more reason to pay attention to words when they are your only representation, don't you think?

Sounds like a pretty easy thing to understand to me and it is for most people. ?




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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I don't think if I typed in 172 pt type you'd care to acknowledge the foot in your mouth, or your hypocrisy while lecturing, but that's alright. Instead of covering up with bland truisms, I'll just let your own words speak for themselves:


Why don't you close that hole already.

She made some good points and your too thick headed to see them because your too busy arguing for the sake of. As if what she has said was a direct challenge to your ability to discern the difference between one thing or the other..All she was doing was laying out a rational idea..Ya know, the one where you can't KNOW the person on the other side so why be quick to judge one way or another..Why not do the reasonable thing and talk to the person for a second before you...

LA is one of the very few people in my opinion that has their feet planted fairly firmly on the ground. Her words do just fine.

In agreement with DG..Your just being a douche.




Icarys -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/10/2010 9:42:11 PM)

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Er...umm... well, true...no kidding...no one knows who the other person is on the other side at all on the internet. So all the more reason to pay attention to words when they are your only representation, don't you think?

Sounds like a pretty easy thing to understand to me and it is for most people. ?

Yeah you'd think so...

Evidently your tagging along on the curtails of the last person.

I'll lay it out for you in simpler terms so those big eyes can take it all in.

Paying attention..Good.
Judging before you have enough facts so your ego can get a lift..Bad.




whipmaker7 -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/11/2010 8:54:50 AM)

so let me get this straight... you're judging based on assumptions about me now. you hypocrite [:D].
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Er...umm... well, true...no kidding...no one knows who the other person is on the other side at all on the internet. So all the more reason to pay attention to words when they are your only representation, don't you think?

Sounds like a pretty easy thing to understand to me and it is for most people. ?

Yeah you'd think so...

Evidently your tagging along on the curtails of the last person.




You mean like your friend did here? i don't think anyone is arguing that there are strangers on the internet we don't know or that there are multiple intelligences.

When someone writes to you like an asshat though, you have every right to make a judgment. I make them every day about 'hot chicks' in my inbox who give me their yahoo emails, and I'm not loosing sleep over it.
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ORIGINAL: Icarys
Judging before you have enough facts so your ego can get a lift..Bad.




Icarys -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/11/2010 11:51:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: whipmaker7

so let me get this straight... you're judging based on assumptions about me now. you hypocrite [:D].
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Er...umm... well, true...no kidding...no one knows who the other person is on the other side at all on the internet. So all the more reason to pay attention to words when they are your only representation, don't you think?

Sounds like a pretty easy thing to understand to me and it is for most people. ?

Yeah you'd think so...

Evidently your tagging along on the curtails of the last person.




You mean like your friend did here? i don't think anyone is arguing that there are strangers on the internet we don't know or that there are multiple intelligences.

When someone writes to you like an asshat though, you have every right to make a judgment. I make them every day about 'hot chicks' in my inbox who give me their yahoo emails, and I'm not loosing sleep over it.
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ORIGINAL: Icarys
Judging before you have enough facts so your ego can get a lift..Bad.


You seem a little dense.

Nobody's talking about someone being an asshat. What we are talking about is judging someone based on their typing skills or lack of. Jumping to conclusions. In the context of the OP and the subsequent disagreement between LA and saraheve..They were going at it about judging someone based on..what class?

And no..this particular instance..I'm not being a hypocrite based on the context of the OP..not to say I haven't been before no more than you have or will be sometime in the future.





whipmaker7 -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/11/2010 1:13:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Icarys

You seem a little dense.

Nobody's talking about someone being an asshat.



No need to be insulting, Icarys. You yourself say on this very thread that you hate laziness in writing, and from what Saharah Eve has expressed, her feelings (and resulting policy) falls right in line with that and I know she's not alone either.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/11/2010 4:49:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Have you ever received an email on collarme in 72pt font? Or did you need to make that big of an exaggeration to make your point?


I don't think if I typed in 172 pt type you'd care to acknowledge the foot in your mouth, or your hypocrisy while lecturing, but that's alright. Instead of covering up with bland truisms, I'll just let your own words speak for themselves:

"What you consider to be quick to judge might simply be many years of experience at work. I can tell right of the bat if anyone has a chance with me. First impressions are very important to me to be honest. And I am an excellent judge of character. "

And of course, let's not forget "A message full of typos gives the impression of negligence and carelessness." (for more, see point 9: Revise for grammar & spelling).

I agree with both links above (yikes!), so perhaps they need revisions for the sake of being more "open-minded". ;-)



Wow! You are really invested in this to pull out threads I wrote in 2004 and 2005. For this, how could I not be gracious and respond back.

For the record, I do think it is important to make an effort to spell well and modern technology gives us great tools. I just simply don't think that it's the be all and end all. Experiences such as the one I discussed in my initial response to you, which fyi happened in 2007, have helped me grow as a person. I'm glad that I allowed myself to evolve to have a more inclusive perspective over the years. Thank you for giving me to an opportunity to see my growth. :-)

- LA




SaharahEve -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/11/2010 8:41:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Wow! You are really invested in this to pull out threads I wrote in 2004 and 2005. For this, how could I not be gracious and respond back.


Never underestimate my resolve. :-)

In all seriousness, your article had some good points in it…grammar among them. I was a little confused why you'd consider deeming sloppy writing or textspeak as patently lazy a sign of someone too quick to judge about intelligence; intelligence, laziness and even lack of respect are all very different things, no?



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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
For the record, I do think it is important to make an effort to spell well and modern technology gives us great tools. I just simply don't think that it's the be all and end all.


I don't recall saying anywhere it was the "end-all and be-all" about a person's worth or intelligence. This seems to be a point you're not seeing, for some odd reason. Disregard for capitalization and proper punctuation is annoying, and with enough of it, I do find it very suspect, especially when there is no disclaimer explaining the reason why. Full blown textspeak is even more obvious…and I bet most other dominant Women feel the same too.




SailingBum -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/11/2010 8:42:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Can I expect to see hair pulling and blouse tearing soon?


I so enjoy that!


Yep yep chants JERRY JERRY whilst eating popcorn.  la has now "earned" a spot on my  famous or perhaps infamous ignore list as I get so tired of ppl that do there level best to create drama where there isn't any

BadOne




LadyAngelika -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/12/2010 2:15:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Wow! You are really invested in this to pull out threads I wrote in 2004 and 2005. For this, how could I not be gracious and respond back.


Never underestimate my resolve. :-)

In all seriousness, your article had some good points in it…grammar among them. I was a little confused why you'd consider deeming sloppy writing or textspeak as patently lazy a sign of someone too quick to judge about intelligence; intelligence, laziness and even lack of respect are all very different things, no?


And ironically, it also had spelling and grammar mistakes ;-) Spending many hours with my editor afterwards helped me a lot with my English writing skills, not that they are anywhere near perfect now.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
For the record, I do think it is important to make an effort to spell well and modern technology gives us great tools. I just simply don't think that it's the be all and end all.


I don't recall saying anywhere it was the "end-all and be-all" about a person's worth or intelligence. This seems to be a point you're not seeing, for some odd reason.


You are right, you never did say it was the "end-all and be-all", I simply made a statement. I do see your point, I just didn't like your conclusions as to someone's motivations. But that's alright as we all draw conclusions based on our experiences.

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Disregard for capitalization and proper punctuation is annoying, and with enough of it, I do find it very suspect, especially when there is no disclaimer explaining the reason why. Full blown textspeak is even more obvious…and I bet most other dominant Women feel the same too.


When I get such a letter, and it isn't a horny dog humping my leg letter, but rather a letter that seems like it has certain sincerity to it, I usually write back asking why they didn't use proper grammar. The answers I've gotten have been interesting.

- LA




SaharahEve -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/12/2010 11:49:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
And ironically, it also had spelling and grammar mistakes ;-)


Again, reasonable errors are one thing; they are even acceptable in novels from time to time. A sloppy train wreck is another thing entirely. I'd also point out that though you wrote the article a few years ago, you are still recommending it to others. Maybe you should consider revising that one section on grammar to reflect your personal growth on the matter. ;-)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Spending many hours with my editor afterwards helped me a lot with my English writing skills, not that they are anywhere near perfect now.


That English isn't your native tongue is easy to explain up front too. I speak with men from France, Italy and the Middle East often, and the fact that English isn't their mother tongue, if not obvious in their writing style alone, has been an easy enough thing for them to explain early on.



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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
You are right, you never did say it was the "end-all and be-all", I simply made a statement.


I'd say you made an insinuation, and one that has nothing to do with what I've been saying at all. I'm not sure if this is intellectual dishonesty here at play or just the result of a peculiar glitch in linguistic logic, but no biggy; this started to feel like a merry-go-round early on and I think I'm done with that.



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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I do see your point, I just didn't like your conclusions as to someone's motivations.


Actually, your first comment to me spoke strictly about being judgmental regarding one's skills and intelligence, not motivations. Questioning my conclusions about one's motivations falls within addressing my original comment, however; I just wish you had gone there in the first place rather than insinuating I am making quick judgements about intelligence. By the way, I'm assuming you take issue with others here in this thread who have expressed very similar feelings to mine.

I'd still like to ask if you see the difference between "multiple intelligence" and laziness. More to the point, that a person can be brilliant and still be lazy, uninspired or an outright jackass all at the same time. I'm sure you agree.



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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
When I get such a letter, and it isn't a horny dog humping my leg letter, but rather a letter that seems like it has certain sincerity to it, I usually write back asking why they didn't use proper grammar.


In certain cases that's fair to do, I think. In other cases it's giving someone an undeserved second chance at a first impression, which 99/100 leads to a big fat waste of time in my tested experience. I'm sorry if that sounds cold or "quick to judge". The point is when text is the only way of expressing yourself online to a potential Mistress for the first time, common sense suggests you should write your words thoughtfully. Choosing not to says to me you're not fully onboard. I'm not sure about you, but I receive dozens of emails per-day from one social site alone, and I have a feeling most Mistresses / females do too. A man with fairly low "intelligences" can still deduce that his need to make a good impression are important, given the odds stacked against him.

And speaking of intelligence, if as a man you can't think that out clear enough, chances are you'll be in big trouble with me later on down the road. You'll likely be bloody pulp. LOL.




Jeffff -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/12/2010 12:24:52 PM)

7 pages and still going at it I see.

Let Me know when someone is swayed.

I have all the time in the world.




wooter -> RE: Is good grammer a reasonable standard? (5/12/2010 4:28:17 PM)

Bad spellers of the world untie.

Grins.




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