thompsonx
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I really wish you would learn how to quote and post.
Be sure to tell santa of your wishes.
The French had about 450 of an Expedition Force of over 8,000 KIA. The Mexicans about 100 KIA in a force that was close to 4,000.
In addition to the 450 dead there were also more than 300 wounded.
At about 3 o'clock in the afternoon a heavy rain started that would go on for the remainder of the day and The French forces made an orderly retreat into defensive positions and prepared for a counter attack that never happened. The whole "battle" took less than three hours. Call it a "crushing” defeat if you want and if makes you feel better but it was hardly so. The battle was ended by torrential rains not by superior Mexican tactics and the French retired in good order to solid tactical defense positions. The French forces attacked too late in the day and in a poor field and got a bloody nose. That is what happened on May 5th, 1862 in Puebla, Mexico.
This from wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Puebla
In the end, it was a tactical draw and the French would leave Mexico "victorious" as they bugged out in 1866 leaving Maximilian exposed after putting him on the throne.
While I am at it… the French defeated the Mexican Army in Puebla a year later and that time the Mexicans saw real crushing defeats everywhere.
You mean when the french came back with 30,000 men.
Do you want to know why you’ve heard of The French Foreign Legion? It’s because SIXTY-TWO legionnaires led by THREE officers CRUSHED a Mexican force of over 2000 at Battle of Camarón.
Wrong again. The mexicans killed all but two of the legionaires.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camar%C3%B3n
There is a holiday for that too. The French then handed the Mexican Army its ass over and over again as the Juárez Government fled north toward the US Border.
The only reason The Spanish, British and French were able to land in Vera Cruz in 1861 was because the US was fighting a Civil War. Speculate all you want but they were there because Mexico defaulted on her loans to European Banks and President Juárez announced he was annulling all debts to European Banks. The Spanish and British WENT HOME in 1861/ early 62, HOME HOME, to EUROPE.
Wrong again:
The mexicans had worked out a deal (the easy payment plan)with the britts and spain and they went home.
Only the French stayed and they had ZERO intention of marching north to join up with The Confederacy. In fact Lincoln had already decided on the Emancipation Proclamation by June of 1862 (The U.S. Emancipated slaves of Washington DC in April)
" Lincoln's preference was to create a system of compensated emancipation, under which slaveowners would be paid for the loss of what they regarded as their "property." In fact, Washington, D.C. was the only place in which compensated emancipation was ever adopted.
On January 1, 1863 Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation extending freedom to all slaves in the seceded states. In practice, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to slaves in states under confederate control, in other words, in precisely those places where Lincoln's words had no power. On the other hand, slaves who lived in union states--or confederate states already under the control of union troops--were unaffected."
http://mac110.assumption.edu/aas/Intros/emancproc.html
but wanted to wait until a Union Victory to announce it. That happened in September in the wake of Antietam and Lincoln announced on September 22, 1862 that that the emancipation would go into effect on Jan 1, 1863 SIX WHOLE MONTHS before the Battles of Vicksburg and Gettysburg. Any chance of the French or any other European power joining the south ended on September 22 1862.
By 1865, The United States had the most modern, Army in the world. No other in the world could match her weapons, tactics or logistics. It was also battle hardened. The Costal Navy of the United States of America was also the most advanced and modern in the world. In 1865 there was not a country in the world that could have stood against the United States in the field or on costal waterways. It is not hyperbole or rank bull shit. If she had need to, she would have also built the best blue water Navy in the world but it was not necessary.
Now… your statement quote:
Of course you see no significance in the fact that after the french got their asses handed to them at puebla that no european army has invaded the americas until the falkland island war. is rank bull shit.
The United States blockaded Mexico (With that coastal navy I mentioned earlier.) in 1865 and prevented The French from reinforcing her troops.
The french already had over 30,000 troops in mexico.
The U.S. then demanded the French withdraw in the spring of 1866, which France did gladly. That is why no European Force evaded The Americas until the Falkland War, the Battle of Puebla had nothing whatsoever to do with it. Zero. Zilch.
BTW… I never said the Mexicans stole anything. Go back and read what I wrote without the anger, rage and hate that clouds your brain for anything counter to your “workers revolution” views.
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The United States, in the wake of its President’s death and the French beating feet, "lost" entire arsenals along the Mexican/U.S. border and the anti Monarch forces who “found” these arms defeated the Monarchists.
Nothing in the quote or the context bear out your position that the us army was an active agent for mexico.
The United Sates "LOST" entire arsenals along the border. The Mexican Forces "FOUND" them. In other words... The Evil Mexican Hating United States
The united states in an effort to stem the french from moving north decided it needed a proxy.
allowed itself plausible deniability WHEN SHE ARMED ANTI MONARCHIST FORCES TO THE TEETH in 1865 and 1866 in Mexico.
Why would the u.s. need "plausible deniability"
They had the monroe doctrin.
"Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City".
Oh… and what was that you said about me studying history?
I said" before you try to teach history you should study it first".
You will note that I have validated all of my statements while you have not.
< Message edited by thompsonx -- 5/11/2010 9:10:37 PM >
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