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slavekal -> Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 9:25:04 AM)
While I am willing to do many things for a Mistress that may not be pleasurable in themselves, there are some things I would have to refuse to do. Playing with electricity is one of those. It just seems foolish and unnecessarily dangerous. The risk/reward ratio appears way unbalanced. And if things go very wrong, someone could end up dead while the other party could go to prison. Am I the only one who feels this way?

thishereboi -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 9:27:57 AM)
It depends on what you mean by electricity play. I have played with a violet wand and a tens unit, and I don't feel I was in any danger at the time. Now sticking things in light sockets or wall sockets would be a little different.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 9:35:12 AM)
What Thishereboi said. Violet wants run on STATIC electricity, not the same thing that makes your computer go. TENS and similar units are used medically every day, mine was a gift from a kinky doctor pal. Yes, you have to use common sense but I have never seen badness happen from using a TENS or PES. Now, using violet wands for FIRE play---I have seen iffy things going on there! But that's another story!

ThundersCry -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 9:51:40 AM)
When I was subbing etc...I was scared 24/7 LOL That being said...it was NOT about me.

pompeii -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 9:57:43 AM)
The heart is the ultimate submissive ... it will beat to the tune of a few millivolts. Just to be clear, if you punctured each of your thumbs with a needle and pressed a normal 1.5VDC D cell battery into it, your heart would stop instantly (and probably be burned from the current, especially if it were a rechargeable battery rather than an alkaline). Your submissive heart beats to dc (which isn't good for pumping blood). In fact, I've read estimates of over 50 people a year electrocuted unknowingly in the USA alone in hospitals when catheterized patients are simply touched by medical personnel who also happen to be touching a leaky medical instrument - they go into vfib - and after all the commotion dies down, nobody realizes that the vfib occurred when the nurse touched both the patient and the equipment at the same time (that's why they test biomedical equipment in the hospital for leakage). In this case, the microamperes at 60 hertz are enough to confuse the electroresponsive heart muscle. Point is, any electricity is dangerous under the wrong situation ... particularly when there is a low-resistance path through your heart. Of course, as Thishereboi said, if you're going to up the pressure to 120 volts, well then, you don't even need a low-resistance path through your heart as it merely takes a microamp or so to control your submissive heart. I'd recommend no more electricity in BDSM play than you use in the bathroom splashing around in a bubble bath.

BoiJen -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 9:59:38 AM)
Don't go trusting your violet wand so fast LadyH...if the ground wire in your socket is reversed with the positive, it's possible you'll get a hell of a lot more than you bargained for. Normally these kinds of mix ups aren't that big of a deal because it still powers the light bulbs. However, because of the voltage transference difference between how those things work, you could be in some serious trouble if the arch jump works against you. It's why people should invest in getting an external D/C switch box to attach to your electrical toys. Tens units are actually a lot more potentially dangerous than violet wands because they create arch current through the body and that arch has the chance of going through any "wet matter" path created in your system before exiting. Meaning, while the potential is severely reduced, if you put one pad on your right foot and the other pad on your right thigh, you could still short out a pace maker or heat up metal if you've ever had surgeries that required hardware. It's not likely, but it is possible. Most of this fairly new information for me after a rather intense and detailed local class on violet wands and other electrical play from an electrical engineer who plays with overly large Tesla coils for a living...violet wands are just small Tesla coils. Also, violet wands, while sturdier than they used to be, still have parts that break down. If the ceramic piece in the inside of the device breaks down and isn't repaired, the chance of electricity related damage increase dramatically. Personally, I believe my body contains and maintains a certain amount of electrical current and doesn't need to be fucked with. But Jen...you like to bleed...yes I know. AND my body constantly creates new blood cells and makes new blood. It's ok for me to bleed...that's natural. boi

DomImus -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 10:02:00 AM)
I gotta learn to stay out of these discussions.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 10:04:29 AM)
What kind of nutjob would put a TENS near someone's chest, Jen? OR not ask about pacemakers?? (oh that's those of us with COMMON SENSE, sorry...) I give anyone who buys a "vintage" violet wand the lecture and the hairy eyeball, too. I will say that the funniest freakin ooooops I ever saw was when a former friend had two slaves hooked up to a MODIFIED TENS, plugged directly into the wall. She had one lead to a slave's PA, and the other to the other's foreskin, hit the on button and BANG! Those boys hit the ground in the fetal position so fast! We in the audience were laughing like maniacs, not realizing that the top was all :OMG I KILLED THEM:. All was well though. So, watch out for electricity, folks! [:D]

BoiJen -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 10:07:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus What kind of nutjob would put a TENS near someone's chest, Jen? OR not ask about pacemakers?? (oh that's those of us with COMMON SENSE, sorry...) I give anyone who buys a "vintage" violet wand the lecture and the hairy eyeball, too. I will say that the funniest freakin ooooops I ever saw was when a former friend had two slaves hooked up to a MODIFIED TENS, plugged directly into the wall. She had one lead to a slave's PA, and the other to the other's foreskin, hit the on button and BANG! Those boys hit the ground in the fetal position so fast! We in the audience were laughing like maniacs, not realizing that the top was all :OMG I KILLED THEM:. All was well though. So, watch out for electricity, folks! [:D] Yeah...I've heard about that story too...that particular top was mortified and decided never to do that again for a reason. anyways... quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen while the potential is severely reduced, if you put one pad on your right foot and the other pad on your right thigh, you could still short out a pace maker or heat up metal if you've ever had surgeries that required hardware. It's not likely, but it is possible. What I'm saying is...from a guy who builds these things, he said it could happen even when the pads aren't near or crossing the chest area. I'm gonna take his word cuz he went to school for this stuff (well...not this stuff) and he's got more experience in it than most anybody else I know.

slavekal -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 11:05:44 AM)
For me, the potential rewards are almost nil, and the risks are great. There are so many things we can do that are incredibly erotic and great fun. It is no great sacrifice in my opinion to stay away from electricity and fire and other dangerous things. That stuff seems more like a sideshow and exhibition than anything sexy.

RCdc -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 11:19:19 AM)
There are risks in anything. Playing with electical toys is no different from using a hair dryer or plugging in a kettle or mowing the lawn. For any electrical toys, like a violet or magic we always use a safety breaker. the.dark.

slavekal -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 11:22:25 AM)
Using electrical appliances properly and for their intended uses is not the same as applying electricity to the human body for sexual thrills. I think we all know that.

Missokyst -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 11:27:52 AM)
I play with electricity, tens, violet wands and a variety of zappy things including stun guns. But then, as a kid I also dangled by my legs from monkey bars that had asphalt beneath. I surfed in oceans with riptides, and rollerskated on sidewalks with rocks and cracks. Risk is a choice. If you don't want to take the chance, don't.

marylynn -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 12:20:42 PM)
That's one of my hard limits. Electricity. I don't care how "safe" you might say that it is.. electricity is like fire. you can not control even in a controlled environment. it's too chaotic. imho

pompeii -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 12:22:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen What I'm saying is...from a guy who builds these things, he said it could happen even when the pads aren't near or crossing the chest area. When the going gets technical ... the technical get going ... A fatal combination of current, voltage, and frequency are not all that hard to come by so do be careful, especially with modified equipment. What you're mainly worried about is your heartbeat. A heart beating at battery frequency (i.e., not beating) won't pump blood; neither will a heart beating at 60 Hz, which is ten times a normal heartbeat. The heart likes to beat at roughly once to twice a second (give or take, depending on how gorgeous your sub is when she's naked). If you subject the heart to AC current, the heart will be controlled by that current if it's more than a few milliamps (enough to light an LED). A voltage across the heart of just a few microvolts (note, micro, not milli!), can take over the entire heart's muscle beating. Of course, most of the time you have skin resistance so, generally speaking, about 25 volts is the threshold for beginning to get dangerous even if the voltage source can supply amps of current. My suggestion: Make sure the person's body is clean and dry and has no openings in the skin for your electrical play. Take the normal precautions even if you're using those 50k volt current-limited high-frequency violet wands; they're designed not to vfib the heart ... but they can under the wrong circumstances.

pompeii -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 12:25:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst as a kid I also dangled by my legs from monkey bars that had asphalt beneath. You didn't mention running with scissors ... :)

RCdc -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 12:32:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavekal Using electrical appliances properly and for their intended uses is not the same as applying electricity to the human body for sexual thrills. I think we all know that. But it's silly to assume that it is any more dangerous. Drying or straightening your wet hair with an electrical appliance carries just as much risk, or more risk than using a magic wand on dry skin. Using a magic wand as it's intended usage as a massage device or using an electronic foot massager are both dangerous depending on how aware you are of the issues with them. It's cool you aren't wanting to use an electric device because you aren't aware of them - not many people would be so honest or sensible. But it's dangerous to place too much faith in any electrical device if your not aware of the possibilites. the.dark.

Missokyst -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 1:15:53 PM)
Been there.. done it.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 1:29:39 PM)
Personally, electrical play bores me silly. But I am NOT going to go saying that it's any MORE dangerous that boatloads of the stuff we do in our daily lives, let alone in what we call play. If you don't like it, don't do it.

Jeffff -> RE: Potentially dangerous activities (5/7/2010 1:40:27 PM)
A tens unit hooked up to your nut sack beats a cup of coffee in the morning! .............. so I have heard................

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