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RCdc -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:17:10 AM)

I totally believe that the FPTP system would work to an extent if those in government seats voted on what their constituency want or on their own personal ideals rather than sticking to their party manifesto.
Obviously this isn't the case.
But the voting reforms that the lib dems want will cause issues for independant and conservatives. 

the.dark.




DCWoody -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:19:24 AM)

I am British.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:20:03 AM)

They hate asking us anything don't they.

I don't understand how it is less fair on conservatives though




kittinSol -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:20:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

I am British.



Welcome to the club [8D] .




Moonhead -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:22:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally
On the sarcasm note, I am just being overly sensitive I think, I feel like I have been standing up for the Lib Dems for days now, I kinda understand why you don't have to disclose who you vote for.

Fair enough. I can understand people with more emotional investment in the libdems than me being very upset about that.

There's been some ugly talk about the UKIP and the BNP trying to do away with that right in a couple of the Stoke wards, believe it or not. People have been followed into voting booths.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:22:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

I am British.



Welcome to the club [8D] .


Oh Oh I am too [:D]




Moonhead -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:23:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

I am British.

No! I am British.




DCWoody -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:24:54 AM)

@RCdc agree completely. Rough outline for my idea of a system: hereditary lords & spiritual gone (with grandfather), limit of 350chosen lords at a time, further 200 elected by national PR every 6 years, ~550 MPs elected by AV every 6 years, with one election or other held every 3 years....increase limit on how long lords can block a bill, have PM chosen (and confidence votes) by exhaustive ballot of MPs and 200 elected lords.






Moonhead -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:25:06 AM)

Oh, that's Spartacus, not British. My bad.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:25:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
There's been some ugly talk about the UKIP and the BNP trying to do away with that right in a couple of the Stoke wards, believe it or not. People have been followed into voting booths.


That is actually shocking. Yet they get up in arms when compared to fascist rule




Moonhead -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 10:27:56 AM)

Well, what else would you expect from a political party led by a former member of Combat 18?
I do wonder if this hasn't happened before, but because it was over council seats nobody bothered to complain.




Politesub53 -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 12:19:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Well, what else would you expect from a political party led by a former member of Combat 18?
I do wonder if this hasn't happened before, but because it was over council seats nobody bothered to complain.


Griffin was never in Combat 18 to my knowledge.

Didnt the voting officers notice who was going in and out of the voting booths ? I am sure they would have called the police if that had been happening. When Griffin was standing in Croydon, back in the 80s, they had police at the polling station.




Politesub53 -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 12:42:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tigreetsa

Democracy in action? Are you sure?


Yet another whose maths is faulty Stella. We had an election, Cameron won the moste votes, he won the most seats. Therefore he was the person the electorate wanted in power. Unless your clinging to some notion that because he didnt get 50% of the seats Brown actually won the election



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It would have greatly helped if the media hadn't put so much pressure on the Lib Dems and Conservatives to do a deal quickly but no, the City were getting impatient, and the media were forecasting doom and gloom if this wasn't settled quickly.


Dont you watch the stock market ? Its a bit glib blaming the media.

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Nick Clegg backtracked and Gordon Brown bottled out. I strongly believe that a very important opportunity to change our political system was lost.

The thing is, in two years, more so in five years time nobody's going to remember any of these headlines from May 2010.


If you think this coalition isnt historic and wont be remembered everytime there is a hung parliament, I am suprised at you. Clegg didnt back track, he recognised the need for stable government, something you seem to miss. Brown didnt bottle out, he was voted out...difference.

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What are we left with? Well pretty much the same as before, the banks and media in control of the country and our government run by two outdated political parties - Labour and the Conservatives - who served people well in the past but who have been outdated also for years.


So how is a Government including Conservatives and Liberals the same as before ? It is far from that with both parties running things on all levels, from the top down.

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I actually believe that there is still a chance for electoral reform and that would be through a split in the Labour Party, where a new left wing party could emerge in the mould of the left wing pragmatism of Ken Livingstone leaving behind New Labour to move centre left which would effectively break up the old two party system leading to greater diversity in our political system. If this was mirrored by a similar split in the Conservative Party spawning an offshoot to the right then this could perhaps provide a more moderate alternative to the BNP and take in the disaffected voters on the far right.

This would lead to perhaps more coalition governments, but I feel it would mean much more political diversity and certainly much more democracy than we have now. It would also break the strangehold the media have over influencing our elections in our outdated two party left vs. right political system. But most of all, it would more accurately represent everyone in our modern British society.



Several small parties would only lead to unstable government, constant elections and stagnation.




NorthernGent -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 12:59:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

I am British.


No! I am British.



Well there you are....a left-wing imperialist!

Northern English only here....not interested in the rest of you bog dwelling Southern peasants....or wherever it is you lot come from. I'd have voted for anyone promising to build a moat and a draw bridge around the Leeds-Liverpool canal and man the Northern side with a huge force.....would have supported the use of biological warfare for this venture too.




kittinSol -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 1:20:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Northern English only here....not interested in the rest of you bog dwelling Southern peasants....or wherever it is you lot come from. I'd have voted for anyone promising to build a moat and a draw bridge around the Leeds-Liverpool canal and man the Northern side with a huge force.....would have supported the use of biological warfare for this venture too.


I can hear Coronation Street playing in the background ;-p .




NorthernGent -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 1:36:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Northern English only here....not interested in the rest of you bog dwelling Southern peasants....or wherever it is you lot come from. I'd have voted for anyone promising to build a moat and a draw bridge around the Leeds-Liverpool canal and man the Northern side with a huge force.....would have supported the use of biological warfare for this venture too.


I can hear Coronation Street playing in the background ;-p .



Probably....as in my mind Coronations Street is real and I'm in it.




mnottertail -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 1:46:41 PM)

I can only see stills her I have to be in CA or UK to see anything, but I imagine it is a pretty place, in your mind,  kinda like keeping up appearances is in Hyacinth's.




subtee -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 1:56:22 PM)

Including a water-side supper with riparian entertainments




kittinSol -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 1:58:59 PM)

"Mrs Bucket"?

"NO! It's "Bouquet"!"

I actually know some English women of a certain age that are exactly like Mrs Bucket - ordinary people that think they're the Queen because they hide the bog rolls and have three sets of cuttlery per person for each meal rofl.




subtee -> RE: UK Election result (5/12/2010 2:32:33 PM)

I love her...

"Richard, really!"




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