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tigreetsa -> RE: UK Election result (5/13/2010 7:26:36 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Now brown has gone, the big question is which way will the party go.
I honestly believe that the best solution is for the Labour Party to either split or to do what it did in the 1970's and spawn another political party, such as what became the Lib Dems.
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Towards the Brownites or the Blairites ?
That would be like the Conservatives going back to the Thatcherists. Clinging to the past is one of the problems we have in British politics.
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
I really hope labour doesnt drop back into its marxist ways and becomes a more inclusive party.
What like New Labour? I actually disagree here and quite strongly and think that if anything the Labour Party needs to rediscover Marx just as much as we as a nation need to get back to Keynes. We can't go on living off the banks or the government because that's what this big issue is all about - the deficit.
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
I think that the electorate want a middle of the road, inclusive party, in power.
I disagree also very strongly here. I think that the majority of the electorate don't want a political system dominated by either one or two major parties because that is what we've had for donkey's years and look where it's got us. This last General Election was a very negative one, both in terms of the campaigns by all the three main partries and in the voting choices of the majority of the electorate who either didn't want Brown or they didn't want Cameron. This is even without speculating why the rest of the people didn't bother to vote.
We are a diverse society and I honestly believe that we need a much more diverse political system with more political parties embracing both the left and the right. The people in Wales didn't want the Conservatives, nor did the people in Scotland and in many places in the North of England but tough because enough people in the South and Midlands turned out to give them that slender majority and this is precisely what's wrong with our political system - that lack of diversity.
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
The first of the three major parties to grasp this has the best chance of winning the next election. Internal strife within the Labour party and a successful coaliton between the Conservatives and Lib Dems could keep Labour out of power for the next few elections. I really hope Labour recover quickly and form a strong opposition.
I disagree strongly here also. The whole point of democracy isn't about winning an election and having the power - why else would you get millions of Eastern Europeans struggling and doing whatever they could to overthrow communism? Yeah right, and the Catholic Church in Poland proved to be such strong, effective opposition that it got people like Jerzy Popileuszki murdered by government agents.
Go read the other threads in this section started by the Americans who also believe that democracy is also about winning elections.
I'm sorry but I cannot accept totalitarianism as a form of democracy. Democracy to me isn't about having large inclusive parties or about winning elections but about forming governments which are representative of the views of the electorate.
I voted Labour in the General Election and I did so for local reasons, because I live in the Tory controlled borough of Wandsworth and it was a marginal seat. I'm assuming that you voted Conservative, I also accept that we now have a government dominated by the Conservatives. I would still buy you a beer even though you're a Tory and we often disagree on the boards just as much as I hope that this government succeeds. I believe in democracy, I see no reason to hate you because you are a Tory just the same as I assume you don't get too upset over my being a socialist.
Democracy to me means having the choice to vote for the party which best reflects your own personal political views and interests and accepting that the government is formed from a consensus of political opinion in the country.
The Second World War started because of political divisions between left and right and the hatred it caused between people and there are many who have not really moved on from that point or learned the lessons. Those same divisions are what today are creating very strong social divisions in the United States. Who knows? They might by now be enjoying universal healthcare if they only could achieve some sort of agreement despite their political differences.
Our political system isn't going to change as a result of a party winning the election, but as a result of changes in the way we - the people - think and what we do to bring about those changes. Maybe when we can learn as a nation to appreciate freedom and democracy and to accept that people with different political opinions serve to protect that democracy and freedom, then maybe we can start working towards political diversity and stop electing our own totalitarian regimes.
It's not necessary, and it doesn't serve the interests of the country as a whole.
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