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Real0ne -> RE: Democracy y/n? (5/11/2010 10:31:39 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Silence8
The 'people' you're talking about, basically the Tea Party, represent the American people even less than the government, as if that were even possible.
What are we looking at? 2%?
7% are claimed to have won the revolutionary war.
Also, the Tea Party were basically manufactured by a huge corporation known as Fox News, and funded by big money.
On what respect? All I ever got was a free bus ride from the parking area.
If you want to talk about action against Obamacare, look at the tens of thousands of people who have signed on in petitions supporting Single Payer -- their numbers far exceed those of the Tea Baggers.
How about immigration, it took 3 days just to get a fax through 3 weeks later they tried to quietly sneak it through again.
The people you don't see are the ones working their asses off and getting less and less in return each and every year.
Yeh well thats the monetary systema and the guv at large not holding up their end of the trust.
(Throw in a few intellectuals who play the increasingly risky academic game.) Despite all this, these people are often pretty reasonable, which scares the shit off out of the elite.
Sure its all for commercial so called "growth".
What I said about false complexity is palpable -- false complexity, to give a formal definition, is any form of complexity whose primary function or reason for continued existence is mystification of manipulation -- the U.S. government and financial systems are elevated into a pseudo-science so that ordinary people feel intimidated out of expressing (or worse, properly experiencing) their rightful sense of abuse. It's as if the U.S. Civil War was a giant waste of time -- a more efficient, more manipulative form of slavery had already been invented that would inevitably have replaced the cruder previous form.
Now this was wonderful to hear someone other than me say. bravo! This was the birth of the present monopoly on the monetary system as policy and the removal of truth and replacement of fraud under trust.
The finer points of the matter even amaze me. Combining trust, the law merchant, admiralty and later the UCC in ultimately dismantling the need for corpus delicti, common law, and moving all standing to corporate private law eventually morphing into the final nail in 33 with the total abandonment of public "Law" for "public policy" (colorable law), pretty much wrapped it up for most people because the average joe simply does not have the means and wherewith all to deal in this crap not to mention the average joe to this day believes when he walks into court its based on the common law which is the way ordinary people deal with each other. Not like bankers, and I dont mean any banker, I mean wall street level bankers! (if you havent yet read money mechanics from the federal reserve chicago branch if you can still find a copy of it, since they took it down, a bit to much informative) LOL but its still around on some sites....
Even today I try to get people involved and explain to friends so they can understand what is being done to this country and them and they go I aint no fukin lawyer and of course talking to people who understand it except to compare notes is worthless because its singing to the choir.
Its all based in fraud. The whole system. Your language was inappropriately kind. Attorneys can lie in court with no reprecussions.
The monetary system little do people know as you said in so many words ushered in the democracy that is now stomping on peoples rights and they dont even know which way to turn to get remedy.
That rabbit hole is already so deep that people who study it and bring it forward are view as lunatics because the average joe cant even imagine what they did much less use it to their advantage. Only the "Elite" know, they have the money for yale, harvard etc, hence the "enlightened" ones.
A world in which the principles of law could actually function as it claims is a world that doesn't need law -- the whole purpose of law as-is is spectacle and abuse, where money dominates as form (and content is an illusion).
Right again! Its an abomination of fraud and even in blacks court is properly defined as a "stage" where the actors put on the best show.
A tyranny of the majority -- we should at least give it a try, right? Tyranny of the super-minority is getting old, and cannot address most of the problems of our day.
I started another thread about her comment about how the republic cant address gays thought she would want to get into it in another thread because it takes everything down a completely different raod as that too is a deep rabbit hole but I guess it was just dead meat for her.
Plus, direct democracy would give the people more incentive to engage. It could replace sports and gambling in terms of popularity! Talk about cultural progress.
thats the problem right now, politics has become nothing more than rooting for the home team and it does not matter what so ever what kind of abortion their "hometeam" made out of the country they root for them all the way because they walk on water!
anyway elisa there is how the democracy formed, it slid right under the republic when everyone fell asleep. Ioperate in the republic and that is why so many people cant deal with or grasp what I talk about. While the differences in definition are extremely subtle the differences in operation are monumental
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