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FirmhandKY -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 12:55:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx FR: I find it most interesting that the so called libs join the jingos on this thread. Perhaps a little google as to why the "pirates" are pirates? Who gives a fuck? They're kidnapping and murdering innocent people. Kill every one of the cocksuckers. Isn't that pretty much what king george said about washington, adams and jefferson? You are normally more rational than this. Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason. - Ovid

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 1:23:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx FR: I find it most interesting that the so called libs join the jingos on this thread. Perhaps a little google as to why the "pirates" are pirates? Who gives a fuck? They're kidnapping and murdering innocent people. Kill every one of the cocksuckers. Isn't that pretty much what king george said about washington, adams and jefferson? They may very well have, but that doesn't mean they were correct. Frankly, I don't see any comparison. These guys have a lot more in common with the James and Younger Gang than the Founding Fathers. I understand they've had terrible lives, and perhaps been driven to this by circumstances beyond their control, but it doesn't make any difference. I'm not saying i don't care about what happened to them, because i do - but in the end it doesn't matter. Like the James Gang, they're kidnapping and murdering innocent human beings who had nothing to do with what happened to them or their country, and they have to be stopped by whatever means necessary. The only way that works is to kill them. quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx You are normally more rational than this. Well, thank you! But with all due respect, I think my position on this is entirely rational as well. Coldhearted? Yes, absolutely. But rational nevertheless. What else is there to do with these people?

thompsonx -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 1:53:18 PM)
From your post you do not seem to have any knowledge of why these "pirates " are pirates. I have never noticed you to come to a discussion so ill prepared.

erintgurltramp -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 2:00:20 PM)
YEA!! Good to the Russian Naval Infantry doing the right thing - if that is what happened. Summary execution for pirates has been a recognized hazard for the profession for hundreds of years. May be a good thing that some still agree.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 4:15:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx From your post you do not seem to have any knowledge of why these "pirates " are pirates. I have never noticed you to come to a discussion so ill prepared. Thank you again; I'm genuinely flattered. But again, it doesn't matter why they're pirates, any more than it mattered why the James and Younger boys took to robbing banks and murdering bankers. Whatever it was that drove them to this, they have to be stopped. Innocent people have the right to travel on the world's oceans without being kidnapped and murdered. I have to ask you again, what alternative could you suggest that would spare the lives of the pirates while at the same time protect the lives of people sailing in that part of the world? Because if you've got a better idea, I'm all ears. From where I sit, this is the only viable solution.

thompsonx -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 4:39:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx From your post you do not seem to have any knowledge of why these "pirates " are pirates. I have never noticed you to come to a discussion so ill prepared. Thank you again; I'm genuinely flattered. But again, it doesn't matter why they're pirates, any more than it mattered why the James and Younger boys took to robbing banks and murdering bankers. Whatever it was that drove them to this, they have to be stopped. Innocent people have the right to travel on the world's oceans without being kidnapped and murdered. I have to ask you again, what alternative could you suggest that would spare the lives of the pirates while at the same time protect the lives of people sailing in that part of the world? Because if you've got a better idea, I'm all ears. From where I sit, this is the only viable solution. From what I have gleaned from the net these people seem to have a legitimate gripe against the governments that the ships attacked are related to. They have sought redress and have been dismissed. When our founding fathers sought redress from the crown and were dismissed they took up arms and went after the assets of the crown. We called our pirates "commerce raiders". How is that functionally different? From my post you are aware that I favor the rule of law...also from my post you are aware that I am not above civil disobediance if my issues are not addressed. This thing will only escalate. The pirates are getting a few bux in their kitty and it wont be long before their equipment is upgraded. Ask popeye if the coast guard had any boat that could catch a drug runners picklefork. Now imagine one of those offshore racers armed. One has to wonder if the cost of fighting them might exceed the cost of remediation.

Aneirin -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 5:08:11 PM)
I agree with Panda, whatever the gripe against govermental bodies, attacking, killing and imprisoning people who are no threat is not the answer, for that comes under terrorism. Perhaps try changing the word pirate to terrorist and then define the outcome, for it seems terrorists, those who do what they do for political aim are not tolerated in this modern world. If it is these people become pirates for political aim, then they are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly. Either way, terrorist or pirate they in what they do is wrong and illegal, they should be aware of the consequences of their actions if caught, and accept their punishment like, like er, pirates, or terrorists, whichever they prefer. Death has always been a possibility with adventure.

domiman -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 5:16:26 PM)
Has any one verified this incident yet?

Aneirin -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 5:52:30 PM)
Who cares if it is verified or not, for it has stimulated converation and understanding, perhaps also education for such a situation. In fact of the stories we hear via media, just how much of it is truth and how much of it is fiction, for it strikes me that stories can be created and circulated for the purpose of drawing popular thought and feeling.

thompsonx -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 5:57:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I agree with Panda, whatever the gripe against govermental bodies, attacking, killing and imprisoning people who are no threat is not the answer, for that comes under terrorism. Perhaps try changing the word pirate to terrorist and then define the outcome, for it seems terrorists, those who do what they do for political aim are not tolerated in this modern world. If it is these people become pirates for political aim, then they are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly. Either way, terrorist or pirate they in what they do is wrong and illegal, they should be aware of the consequences of their actions if caught, and accept their punishment like, like er, pirates, or terrorists, whichever they prefer. Death has always been a possibility with adventure. So what you are saying is that both your government and my government are terrorist and they should be sumarily executed. If you are going to define terrorism why would you leave out state sponsored terrorism. What were the people of afghanistan or iraq doing to the u.s. and yet we have virtually bombed them back into the stone age. I understand there is an open warrant for the arrest of bush&co. in the hague.

Aneirin -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 6:31:38 PM)
I don't answer for my government, for they are a law unto themselves, yet they govern and that is that, that is the way it is and it isn't going to change, for that is the way it has always been.

Marini -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 6:46:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Who cares if it is verified or not, for it has stimulated converation and understanding, perhaps also education for such a situation. In fact of the stories we hear via media, just how much of it is truth and how much of it is fiction, for it strikes me that stories can be created and circulated for the purpose of drawing popular thought and feeling. Thank you Aneirin, where is the "verification police" when you need them? Who the fuck says shit like this? Has anyone verified this yet? waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa crying baby, get a bottle. [sm=river.gif]

Marini -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 6:50:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx From your post you do not seem to have any knowledge of why these "pirates " are pirates. I have never noticed you to come to a discussion so ill prepared. Thank you again; I'm genuinely flattered. But again, it doesn't matter why they're pirates, any more than it mattered why the James and Younger boys took to robbing banks and murdering bankers. Whatever it was that drove them to this, they have to be stopped. Innocent people have the right to travel on the world's oceans without being kidnapped and murdered. I have to ask you again, what alternative could you suggest that would spare the lives of the pirates while at the same time protect the lives of people sailing in that part of the world? Because if you've got a better idea, I'm all ears. From where I sit, this is the only viable solution. Hey Panda we tend to agree around this place more often than not. I don't really "agree" with what the Russians did, BUT live by the sword, die by the sword. If you can't deal with the consequences don't get get into the game. When you decide to become a "pirate" or any other type of criminal don't be afraid of what may come your way. You may think you are a big dog in the world, but there is always a bigger dog that can come your way. It looks like they ran into "bigger dogs" than they were, I was really surprised they were taken alive in the first place.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 7:10:10 PM)
Damned right. Being a pirate is supposed to be a dangerous business. These guys would be a disgrace to their profession if they didn't accept the risk that every now and then, some of them are going to come home dead.

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 7:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda They're kidnapping and murdering innocent people. Kill every one of the cocksuckers. Regardless of right or left ... lets look at the truth of this statement ... and understand ... when you get hostages back ... with overwhelming force ... and let the pirates go ... you are ensuring .. they will be back at it ... with less fear than they had before. Why wouldn't they? Nothing to lose ... and lots to gain.

Marini -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 7:58:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Damned right. Being a pirate is supposed to be a dangerous business. These guys would be a disgrace to their profession if they didn't accept the risk that every now and then, some of them are going to come home dead. Hey PandaMan, I used to give "props" to the bad guys that refused to be taken alive in the old days. I love old movies, and how about the famous line, "They won't ever take me alive!" We just don't see enough of that these days.

thompsonx -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 8:15:12 PM)
more than 20 post since I ask why these particular pirates are pirates. So far no one has had the energy or the desire to press a few keys to google. I guess it is easier to just snuff them non white guys instead of asking them what the fuck they are pissed about.

Marini -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 8:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx more than 20 post since I ask why these particular pirates are pirates. So far no one has had the energy or the desire to press a few keys to google. I guess it is easier to just snuff them non white guys instead of asking them what the fuck they are pissed about. I rarely, rarely *read* much less respond to anything you type, for a variety of reasons. In fact, I am a very selective reader. So if I don't respond to you, its usually cause I don't read the shit you type. I love a good debate or conversation, but I have learned to skip over/not read the posters, who I feel only want to name call, belittle, redicule, argue/fight, or debase. WTF are you talking about here? Are you saying they were not pirates? Take that attitutde somewhere else buddy, I didn't say shit about snuffing anyone out.

Dubbelganger -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 8:23:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife So you are advocating that the death penalty be applied without benefit of a trial? Difficult issue... the pirates do not belong to any sort of government and are operating on their own authority. They cannot be tried under the laws of their country, and since we are not at war with Somalia, they are not POWs. It's even more difficult when one considers that the "Pirates" are responding to years of illegally dumped toxic waste, including radioactives, which not only killed fish, but killed women and children. And the response of the west, and the UN, has been to turn a blind eye to Italian criminals (among others) who did the dumping. That's the part of the story that Faux doesn't report. Are they justified? I don't know. But I understand their actions, if all the dumping and poisoning has indeed occured.

thompsonx -> RE: 10 Captured Somali pirates "found dead" by Russians (5/12/2010 8:31:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx more than 20 post since I ask why these particular pirates are pirates. So far no one has had the energy or the desire to press a few keys to google. I guess it is easier to just snuff them non white guys instead of asking them what the fuck they are pissed about. I rarely respond to anything you type, for a variety of reasons. And we used to chat all the time when you were msmia. By the way how is your spanish comming? WTF are you talking about here? I simply asked why are these particular pirates being pirates? Are you saying they were not pirates? Perhaps if you were to read what I actually post instead of what you want to hear you would have a little better understanding of my question. Take that attitutde somewhere else buddy, I didn't say shit about snuffing anyone out. If the foo shits...[;)]

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