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pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:35:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail neither, and it is not to late to commit yourself to an insane asylum, or take your meds. It is not too late to repent.

witchboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:38:05 AM)
Gods people are such idiots how bout all of you scroll up and look at the title of this forum? maybe try to have a conversation basd on the topic instead of being whiny bitches who argue the same point over and over and over and over again

pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:38:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Modified: I just made a claim that an Americans rights are limited by the constitution and the law that surrounds it. You Fuckin Sie A I did, Real. Ok so you believe that Americans rights are limited by the constitution. (which is what I said but ok) What about Americans who are not a party to the contract or dont they exist? Or are we under a monarchy that can claim us as chattel and part of the contract because we were born in one of the several states? who is mightier? The creator or the govt? The government will shine your shoes for you. But god gave you feet.

mnottertail -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:39:55 AM)
a fuckin dog has feet, you fool.

Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:41:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witchboy Gods people are such idiots how bout all of you scroll up and look at the title of this forum? maybe try to have a conversation basd on the topic instead of being whiny bitches who argue the same point over and over and over and over again well if you feel you got the goods to get down and boogie you are more than welcome to join in the fun and frolics. I have not found to much of a challenge yet on this board. well with exception to a very few who have not shown up in this thread at this point. Lay it all out for us! :)

NorthernGent -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:43:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Gent they were British Esquires whose purpose was to limit the abuses by the monarchy that created the disagreements in the first place. Because you are under the authority of the monarchy you do not have nor can you have "exercisable" unalienable rights as you are the queens chattel. Regardless of the show they put on in parliment etc etc etc. Tough pill to swallow for the educated in todays world. Seems to me you're arguing that unalienable rights can indeed be taken away and resinstated by human power? How do you define unalienable rights'?

Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:47:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail no, americans not party to the contract do not exist. (not even native americans, or if you prefer american indians) sure they have other modifications to the law, but are still overall restricted by it. no, to the monarchy and chattel. That double talk, So anyone who is born on this soil as in one of the 50, is under the constitution. yes or no. you just said it both ways and it cant be both wayss. Going once, Going twice, bang, Everyone who is born on this soil is not "under" the constitution stands. Now you have a problem you need to deal with. whats the deelio with all those people who are not operating under your constitution? Now what? How do they fit into your constitutional world?

mnottertail -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 8:52:44 AM)
Bang! There is not one person that is demonstrably situated so. Gone!

pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:04:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail a fuckin dog has feet, you fool. God made you just the way you are. You are a creation of god. Govt can not give you more then what god can.

pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:06:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Gent they were British Esquires whose purpose was to limit the abuses by the monarchy that created the disagreements in the first place. Because you are under the authority of the monarchy you do not have nor can you have "exercisable" unalienable rights as you are the queens chattel. Regardless of the show they put on in parliment etc etc etc. Tough pill to swallow for the educated in todays world. Seems to me you're arguing that unalienable rights can indeed be taken away and resinstated by human power? How do you define unalienable rights'? neither man nor govt is greater then God

mnottertail -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:07:47 AM)
Ja, shove that slap happy shit up your ass, god didnt create me, my mom and dad did (and I know how). If you are going to use that dumbass jingle....you and your dead masturbating parrot are imbued with the same unalienable rights, and your killing him and providing a miserable life for him should send you to the electric chair.

Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:20:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Gent they were British Esquires whose purpose was to limit the abuses by the monarchy that created the disagreements in the first place. Because you are under the authority of the monarchy you do not have nor can you have "exercisable" unalienable rights as you are the queens chattel. Regardless of the show they put on in parliment etc etc etc. Tough pill to swallow for the educated in todays world. Seems to me you're arguing that unalienable rights can indeed be taken away and resinstated by human power? How do you define unalienable rights'? Well in anglo sax history the "Sovereign", the head of the monarchy, usually titled king/queen, etc. declared their rights were bestowed upon them from God, and therefore the supreme law of the Kingdom. The Sovereigns used to "sojourn" (tour) the country holding court with his courtiers to resolve disputes between whoever. Rights can be given away under contract. So for the right to free speech, if you go to rons house and ron says you can enter my house but you will not utter the evil word "Real0ne" while in my house you just relinquished your right to utter that word by giving power of attorney to ron who upon your violating the contract can kick you out of his house or sue you for injury as a result of your uttering the word "Real0ne". :) So you would go to the law dictionaries as I always do and look up alienable. quote: ALIENABLE alienable, adj. Capable of being transferred to the ownership of another; transferable <an alienable property interest>. — alienability,n. CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM constitutional freedom. A basic liberty guaranteed by the Constitution or Bill of Rights, such as the freedom of speech. — Also termed constitutional protection; constitutional liberty. CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEE constitutional guarantee.A promise contained in the United States Constitution that supports or establishes an inalienable right, such as the right to due process. EQUITY equity,n.1. Fairness; impartiality; evenhanded dealing <the company's policies require managers to use equity in dealing with subordinate employees>. 2. The body of principles constituting what is fair and right; natural law <the concept of “inalienable rights” reflects the influence of equity on the Declaration of Independence>. LIEN lien - leen, n. A legal right or interest that a creditor has in another's property, lasting usu. until a debt or duty that it secures is satisfied. • Typically, the creditor does not take possession of the property on which the lien has been obtained. Cf. PLEDGE(3). [Cases: Liens 1.C.J.S. Liens §§ 2–3, 12, 18.] — lien,vb. — lienable, liened,adj. LIENABLE lienable,adj. (Of property) legally amenable to a lien; capable of being subject to a lien. INALIENABLE inalienable,adj. Not transferable or assignable <inalienable property interests>. — Also termed unalienable. inalienable right.A right that cannot be transferred or surrendered; esp., a natural right such as the right to own property. — Also termed inherent right. So there are a few out of the law dictionary. so you can see the problem this creates with monarchies? (constitutional or otherwise?)

NorthernGent -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:23:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Gent they were British Esquires whose purpose was to limit the abuses by the monarchy that created the disagreements in the first place. Because you are under the authority of the monarchy you do not have nor can you have "exercisable" unalienable rights as you are the queens chattel. Regardless of the show they put on in parliment etc etc etc. Tough pill to swallow for the educated in todays world. Seems to me you're arguing that unalienable rights can indeed be taken away and resinstated by human power? How do you define unalienable rights'? neither man nor govt is greater then God So if this all boils down to god.....then does it mean that all of god's creations have unalienable rights?.....'cause the chicken breast hanging off the edge of my plate the other night wasn't particularly happy about being penned in and fed nutrients with the express purpose of ending up on my plate. Pahunk....it's a theory borne out of convenience.....John Locke argued that people have a duty to god to not harm the body or property of another...and it follows themselves....precisely because of the religious and civil strife that was proving a problem for the economic stability of nations. Another words.....a man made solution to a man made problem. Just because Locke and the people like him felt some stability was needed and the way to do this was through a theory of what a non-specific deity may or might not have granted.....doesn't make it real. It's a means of people living together in some sort of peaceful co-existence....through rules made by men...nothing whatsoever to do with god.

pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:23:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Ja, shove that slap happy shit up your ass, god didnt create me, my mom and dad did (and I know how). If you are going to use that dumbass jingle....you and your dead masturbating parrot are imbued with the same unalienable rights, and your killing him and providing a miserable life for him should send you to the electric chair. Jesus loves you. The govt takes your money.

mnottertail -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:25:33 AM)
no, since inalienable or unalienable is not part of our constitution or law. nor is it part of englands. if one ceases proceding from false premises, the matter is cleared up instantly.

pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:26:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Gent they were British Esquires whose purpose was to limit the abuses by the monarchy that created the disagreements in the first place. Because you are under the authority of the monarchy you do not have nor can you have "exercisable" unalienable rights as you are the queens chattel. Regardless of the show they put on in parliment etc etc etc. Tough pill to swallow for the educated in todays world. Seems to me you're arguing that unalienable rights can indeed be taken away and resinstated by human power? How do you define unalienable rights'? neither man nor govt is greater then God So if this all boils down to god.....then does it mean that all of god's creations have unalienable rights?.....'cause the chicken breast hanging off the edge of my plate the other night wasn't particularly happy about being penned in and fed nutrients with the express purpose of ending up on my plate. Pahunk....it's a theory borne out of convenience.....John Locke argued that people have a duty to god to not harm the body or property of another...and it follows themselves....precisely because of the religious and civil strife that was proving a problem for the economic stability of nations. Another words.....a man made solution to a man made problem. Just because Locke and the people like him felt some stability was needed and the way to do this was through a theory of what a non-specific deity may or might not have granted.....doesn't make it real. It's a means of people living together in some sort of peaceful co-existence....through rules made by men...nothing whatsoever to do with god. Human trump animals. humans should trump computers and corporations. Who do you bow before? God or the state? WHO?

pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:27:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail no, since inalienable or unalienable is not part of our constitution or law. nor is it part of englands. if one ceases proceding from false premises, the matter is cleared up instantly. Does the government love you more then how God loves you?

mnottertail -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:27:54 AM)
again, bring god to the witness stand, so we may have his view on who trumps who and what trumps what.

Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:28:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Ja, shove that slap happy shit up your ass, god didnt create me, my mom and dad did (and I know how). If you are going to use that dumbass jingle....you and your dead masturbating parrot are imbued with the same unalienable rights, and your killing him and providing a miserable life for him should send you to the electric chair. well ron there you go man.... you have the same problem ken has. you are an atheist living in a world created by God. Dont have to be a rocket scientist to figger that out, just one quick look at the definitions puts you under. ok here is one more chance to redeem yourself: LAST CHANCE TO ANSWER THIS: quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail no, americans not party to the contract do not exist. (not even native americans, or if you prefer american indians) sure they have other modifications to the law, but are still overall restricted by it. no, to the monarchy and chattel. That double talk, So anyone who is born on this soil as in one of the 50, is under the constitution. yes or no. you just said it both ways and it cant be both wayss. last time ron yes or no. (oh and that goes for ANYONE else who wishes to try and save him! :)

pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/15/2010 9:28:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail again, bring god to the witness stand, so we may have his view on who trumps who and what trumps what. You got up today. There is your proof.

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