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Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/17/2010 3:16:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you dont aspire not to be murdered, have your property taken away etc, you have it precisely backwards that it is you who aspires to gain health care and that as said is not a right, not a trespass, not a tort.



Show me the difference:

Property: you aspire to own property.....you attain property through purchase.....you can have property taken away from you by human power given certain circumstances....you can have property provided by the government.

Health: you aspire to good health...you attain good health through purchase...you can have good health taken away from you by human power given certain circumstances....you can have good health provided by the government.

Yes...you provided a whole load of case notes.

What I would like to see is a clear and concise reason as to why property is different to health in this context.



Well maybe this will help... you are a being a free will... no one but yourself can take this a way from you.



true but I think that is sort of a leap to make all the connections.

Just like most people in as much as the constitution is concerned do not connect the idea of the right to bear arms as being based in the right to self defense and the reason they used the term arms is that whatever the armies of the world have we get to have to enable self defense.  They love to cloud the issue with over the shoulder arms when li6 nukes can fit in your lunchbox LOL  As scary as it sounds there is noting in the constitution for instance that bans anyone from having any "arm" period.  As I said scary as that may be...

We sort of got side tracked and never did get back to what gives gays more freedom.  A republic or democracy?






pahunkboy -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/17/2010 3:22:03 PM)

Hey RO- what many dont realize is once the govt gets to a certain point- millions will be killed. 

Even in the US- the elite will eat away to the point where it will be kill time.   You  can take that to the bank.




Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/22/2010 11:18:28 PM)



well I never really gave that any in depth study but at first glance you may have something when we look at people like stalin and a few other multimillion murdering psychophants throughout history.

They are big time after the christians and muslims right now, christian extremists and muslim terrorists.

I guess we have to look what groups are not being targeted to find the perps of the culture genocide of our days.




Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/23/2010 11:01:59 AM)

anyway unless someone wants to contest what I am about to say here people, gays and whom ever have all their rights in the republic dependent of course on any contract they entered into.

So for entertainment and educational purposes only, not to be construed at any time as legal advice or for use as such;

Within the republic you have whats called a common law marriage.  Common law marriage is a private contract between 2 people.

Civil marriage is a contract between 3 persons, party a, party b and the state as title holder.

Hence in common law you tell the state what you have elected to do for the record, the latter you ask their permission under statute to do something.



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Mother Freedom
 

  Freedom - keep walkin’
Keep on your toesand don’t stop talkin’ ’bout
Freedom - get goin’
Lots to be learned and lots to be knowin’ ’bout
People - gotta reach ’em
Sit ’em right down and then you gotta teach ’em ’bout
Freedom - gotta win it
Gotta put yourself smack dab in it

Hey tomorrow
Now don’t you go away
’cause freedom
Just might come your way

Freedom - keep tryin’
People stay alive and people keep dyin’ for
Freedom - so don’t lose it
Ya gotta understand ya just can’t abuse it
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Never gonna stop till everybody’s groovin’ on
Love for - one another
Callin’ some friend and callin’ some brother

Hey tomorrow
You’re not so far away
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We’ll know you well someday




and thanks to everyone who participated in the debate







LadyEllen -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/23/2010 11:11:55 AM)

So The Marriage Act 1753 didnt make it over the pond pre-rebellion then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_Act_1753

And nothing like it, by which "common law marriage" was specifically abolished (though it had never been in the first place), was subsequently enacted?

That must make property, estate and trust law problematic?

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Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/23/2010 11:19:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

So The Marriage Act 1753 didnt make it over the pond pre-rebellion then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_Act_1753

And nothing like it, by which "common law marriage" was specifically abolished (though it had never been in the first place), was subsequently enacted?

That must make property, estate and trust law problematic?

E


yeh for the guv :)

here we have the unlimited right to contract.

People have to know and understand the law because turn on mees operate under the courts and will always put you into leegoeland.

I did find this kind of cute which in fact proves my points about sovereignity.

The common but mistaken assumption that a simple exchange of consent would suffice is based on later, erroneous readings of ecclesiastical case law: such an exchange created a binding contract to marry rather than a legal marriage.[4]
[edit] The effects of the Act

The Act tightened the existing ecclesiastical rules regarding marriage, providing that for a marriage to be valid it had to be performed in a church and after the publication of banns[5] or the obtaining of a licence.[6] Jews and Quakers were exempted from its provisions, although the Act did not go so far as to declare such marriages valid and it was many years before their legal standing was assured. Nor did the Act apply to members of the British Royal Family. Indeed, members of the Royal Family have been consistently exempted from all general legislation relating to marriage since this date, which is why doubts were expressed in 2005 about the ability of Prince Charles to marry Camilla Parker-Bowles in a civil ceremony,[7] civil marriage being the creation of statute law.[8] It was also provided that the 1753 Act had no application to marriages celebrated overseas or in Scotland.[9]

The Act was highly successful in its stated aim of putting a stop to clandestine marriages, i.e., valid marriages performed by an Anglican clergyman but not in accordance with the canons. Thus the notorious practice of clandestine Fleet Marriages associated with London’s Fleet Prison was ended,[10] although there were various short-lived and abortive attempts to claim exemption for the Savoy Chapel in the Strand[11] and the parish of Temple in Cornwall. The early death of the Savoy’s minister on board ship while waiting to be transported for his flouting of the Act may have discouraged others from making similar claims, even if his demise was due to gout rather than to the conditions of his imprisonment.[12]





LadyEllen -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/23/2010 11:28:33 AM)

Well if you cant prove you were married to me then how should you prove any entitlement to my estate on my death if there are no children? There's only me that might vouch for it, and I'm dead. You might bring witnesses of course, but you could be anyone trying it on and they might be getting a cut to play along.

I could write a will of course, but that opens all sorts of challenges from my siblings who all of a sudden dont know you from Adam 'cause they want my millions. Now youre looking at attempted fraud.

Seems to me you'd go without. Absent blood relatives, the estate would be taken into trust pending a valid claimant proving his claim. After 30 years if there were no claimant the whole would go to the state, here anyway.

And this is on topic of course because its these sorts of reasons why "gay" marriage has to be legalised as much as "hetero" marriage has to be legalised.

E




Real0ne -> RE: Democracy or Republic -- Which Gives Gays More Rights? (5/23/2010 12:01:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Well if you cant prove you were married to me then how should you prove any entitlement to my estate on my death if there are no children? There's only me that might vouch for it, and I'm dead. You might bring witnesses of course, but you could be anyone trying it on and they might be getting a cut to play along.

In america?  sworn affidavits with notary public witness or better yet county notary.


I could write a will of course, but that opens all sorts of challenges from my siblings who all of a sudden dont know you from Adam 'cause they want my millions. Now youre looking at attempted fraud.

irrelevant see above solution


Seems to me you'd go without. Absent blood relatives, the estate would be taken into trust pending a valid claimant proving his claim. After 30 years if there were no claimant the whole would go to the state, here anyway.

yeh not to surprising we the free ones have the same rules :)


And this is on topic of course because its these sorts of reasons why "gay" marriage has to be legalised as much as "hetero" marriage has to be legalised.

E


people here have the infinite right to contract.  It would not have the label marriage attached but serve precisely the same purpose.

People would have to ask what is more important?  The purpose or the guv seal of good housekeeping label.




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