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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/12/2010 11:52:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Mexican-Americans are oppressed by white people?"
Most Mexican-Americans *are* white people! Last time I checked, "Hispanic" and "Latino" were "ethnic groups" not "races."

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/12/2010 11:59:40 AM   
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"Mexican-Americans are oppressed by white people?"
Most Mexican-Americans *are* white people! Last time I checked, "Hispanic" and "Latino" were "ethnic groups" not "races."


It is this politically correct adroitness allows you to avoid the title of racists but clearly your post show biggotry of the first magnitude.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/12/2010 1:14:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"Mexican-Americans are oppressed by white people?"
Most Mexican-Americans *are* white people! Last time I checked, "Hispanic" and "Latino" were "ethnic groups" not "races."


It is this politically correct adroitness allows you to avoid the title of racists but clearly your post show biggotry of the first magnitude.




Thompson, do you talk in your sleep?

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/12/2010 4:52:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oppressed by white people ? Hardly. White people are giving an education and free health care to people who are here illegally. They are being oppressed by their own government, not us.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/12/2010 4:59:59 PM   
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Oppressed by white people ? Hardly. White people are giving an education and free health care to people who are here illegally. They are being oppressed by their own government, not us.


If a person pays their taxes then they should be entitled to the services those taxes support don't you think?

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 2:10:54 AM   
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Can she really be this dense, or is she pushing buttons for a reason?


The reason is she is up for re-election and has been a target of the teabaggers for not being conservative enough.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 2:22:09 AM   
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In case everyone isn't paying attention, Arizona is the wild wild west. Ranchers are being killed on US soil by illegals coming accross the border. She is doing what needs to be done since the feds refuse to do so.


One rancher, not ranchers.


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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 2:31:47 AM   
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You are also so insane, that you believe the law requiring law enforcement to enquire about their legal status, then arrest them will result in racial profiling, and people being stopped randomly to be asked their status.

Use your common sense if you have any left. The cops aren't going to be stopping people randomly. However, if they stop you or come into contact with you during the course of their duties, then obviously they have a taken an oath to uphold the law and must investigate your legal status, and uphold both federal and state law.

By the way, federal law is more severe than their state law, so how can that be unconstitutional? It is and always has been a $5,000 fine and deportation for crossing the border illegally.



Yes they will and are required to do so by the new law.

The Arizona law bears no resemblance to any federal law and if you believe it does then I challenge you to post that law.

For once take some time to read what you are talking about instead of regurgitating bullshit you hear from Limbaugh and the other conservative talking heads.






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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 3:25:26 AM   
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Oppressed by white people ? Hardly. White people are giving an education and free health care to people who are here illegally. They are being oppressed by their own government, not us.


It's possible to be oppressed by more than one government.

Also not all Mexicans are here illegally. In fact a lot of people of Mexican descent were born in the US.

That being said I don't think this is oppressive to any ethnic group:

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 4:03:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whats wrong with ethnic solidarity?

How can you have a native american study class and not have it tailored towards native americans?

Ever read up on the Trail of Tears? Talk about fostering resentment... and rightly so.

Lets talk about the holocaust... how can a jewish person not feel resentment?

The african slave trade... again... how do you teach that subject and tailor it towards the absence of resentment?

I see this law as a way to prevent any class of race studies from being taught. Its just not possibly to pass one of those criterias, let alone all three.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 4:14:20 AM   
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Whats wrong with ethnic solidarity?



Nothing, but I don't feel it's something that should be taught in public schools.

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How can you have a native american study class and not have it tailored towards native americans?

Ever read up on the Trail of Tears? Talk about fostering resentment... and rightly so.

Lets talk about the holocaust... how can a jewish person not feel resentment?

The african slave trade... again... how do you teach that subject and tailor it towards the absence of resentment?

I see this law as a way to prevent any class of race studies from being taught. Its just not possibly to pass one of those criterias, let alone all three.


I'm not sure if this is splitting hairs, but the article says it forbids classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, not classes that indirectly foster it.

In other words, teaching the facts is different from teaching your opinion about them.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 4:17:35 AM   
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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 4:40:51 AM   
tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Whats wrong with ethnic solidarity?



Nothing, but I don't feel it's something that should be taught in public schools.

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How can you have a native american study class and not have it tailored towards native americans?

Ever read up on the Trail of Tears? Talk about fostering resentment... and rightly so.

Lets talk about the holocaust... how can a jewish person not feel resentment?

The african slave trade... again... how do you teach that subject and tailor it towards the absence of resentment?

I see this law as a way to prevent any class of race studies from being taught. Its just not possibly to pass one of those criterias, let alone all three.


I'm not sure if this is splitting hairs, but the article says it forbids classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, not classes that indirectly foster it.

In other words, teaching the facts is different from teaching your opinion about them.


And all that is up to who is interpreting what is happening within the classroom. Im sorry, Elisabella. Often i agree with your posts, but on this one I cannot. It leaves the door open for too much abuse. The article lists three.. not one... but three instances of the class being illegal. Any of the three can be used. And I can see how any of the three will be used by those who wish to stifle yet another part of the "not quite right" white history.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 4:46:53 AM   
Elisabella


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And all that is up to who is interpreting what is happening within the classroom. Im sorry, Elisabella. Often i agree with your posts, but on this one I cannot. It leaves the door open for too much abuse. The article lists three.. not one... but three instances of the class being illegal. Any of the three can be used. And I can see how any of the three will be used by those who wish to stifle yet another part of the "not quite right" white history.


Fair enough. And you're right that "advocate" and "promote" can be interpreted in various ways, but I still don't see it as inherently oppressive.

Forbidding the exclusion of students from classes based on race on the other hand, is pretty direct.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 5:14:45 AM   
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Can she really be this dense, or is she pushing buttons for a reason?


Pushing who's buttons? The 65% of the voters in AZ who support her?

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 5:20:40 AM   
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in order to lick the arses of that segment of the population that she wants to vote for her.



Right! Because as an elected official she should be kissing up the 30% of Arizonians who would not vote for in anyway shape or form. They matter more! F- the folks who put her in office!

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 5:22:13 AM   
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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 5:46:33 AM   
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F- the folks who put her in office!


No thank you, I'd rather not catch xenophobitis.

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 6:02:34 AM   
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They could just stay in the places they're coming from and have that. 

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RE: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer does it again. - 5/13/2010 6:05:04 AM   
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