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tazzygirl -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 1:55:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Why not jail anyone who buys goods and produce from firms who employ illegals ? Sure - except it wouldn't be necessary if the businesses and individuals were prosecuted in the first place. After the first illegal worker employer 'round-up', prosecution, and conviction with stiff consequence, I doubt there would be a need for a second. Especially if one of the penalties was the removal of all product from the store shelves for free distribution to the 'poor'. It's great to see general agreement - enforcement and prosecution across the board! I very much agree, companies should not profit because of hiring people that are getting slave wages... and in fact sometimes these outfits don't pay wages at all, they stiff illegals for the pay they owe them And yet they have the ability to sue employers who dont pay them the amount they do others... and win. I dont see a disadvantage there. What i do see is a lack of assimilation that was once the norm... you know, learning the language, the laws, the customs. Instead, we have become so damn focused on their rights that they dont even know WHAT their rights are because they cannot communicate, either because of language barriers or because of fear. Oddly enough, Super 88 found out how well they can get away with not paying them correctly. I have no doubt other companies have stepped into line on that one. Instead of filling up this thread with more responses to other posts, i will include another here. Someone spoke about the cost of illegals to California and welfare. How are they obtaining welfare if they are illegal? For that matter, how are they paying taxes, social security, medicare? I realize some are on work visas that ran out and they continue to stay. But not all. How are these undocumented workers paying into our system without being part of the system?

thishereboi -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 6:08:45 AM)
quote: I hope this law ruins AZ economically Wow, you really hate the people of AZ don't you? Now I can understand not liking the new laws and I can understand protesting and trying to get the laws changed. I can even understand trying to get their elected officials taken out of office. But there is no way in hell I can understand punishing all the individuals who live there. Maybe if your lucky, they will drive the state into such depression, it will never recover. That would show those asswipes in office, wouldn't it?[8\|]

thishereboi -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 6:09:46 AM)
quote: then the Tea Party racists have completely undone all that work! How exactly did they do this?

thishereboi -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 6:14:22 AM)
quote: Her ancestors aren't natural born Americans. I never knew that. Where are they from?

juliaoceania -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 8:41:32 AM)
quote: nd yet they have the ability to sue employers who dont pay them the amount they do others... and win. I dont see a disadvantage there. What i do see is a lack of assimilation that was once the norm... you know, learning the language, the laws, the customs. Instead, we have become so damn focused on their rights that they dont even know WHAT their rights are because they cannot communicate, either because of language barriers or because of fear. Oddly enough, Super 88 found out how well they can get away with not paying them correctly. I have no doubt other companies have stepped into line on that one. Instead of filling up this thread with more responses to other posts, i will include another here. Someone spoke about the cost of illegals to California and welfare. How are they obtaining welfare if they are illegal? For that matter, how are they paying taxes, social security, medicare? I realize some are on work visas that ran out and they continue to stay. But not all. How are these undocumented workers paying into our system without being part of the system? This post shows several areas of ignorance on your part... Many of those who will "not assimilate" never intend to stay here. They work seasonally, and then they go back home. There is someone I go to school with who is doing research on college students who only find out they are here illegally when they apply to college and their parents tell them that they can't get a social security card, they have no green card, and basically they can't get student aid, etc... from the moment they find this out they fear being deported. These young people have no friends in Mexico, often do not speak Spanish, and their identity is that of an American citizen. They went through our public schools, they grew up here... but they do not have "documents". There is quite a large population of such students in Southern California... these young people have no path to citizenship. This is why we need reform. This is why people need a path to citizenship, because many are completely "assimilated", yet have no legal standing through no fault of their own. In one case my friend presented, this young man's family came here for a medical treatment for their daughter that was not available in Mexico... the whole family could not come legally, only one parent... so they broke the law and came here to obtain treatment for their daughter... what would you do? It was an organ transplant, so it took years to do this procedure, and then there was the risk of rejection and rejection drugs... she needed them all... I could give a rat's ass about everything you posted. I am a human rights over race person. I see you as a racist... pure and simple. You would state that people who work in dangerous environments that get paid very little, and because they work for so little it subsidizes the food you shovel into your American piehole, these people deserve to have their labor stolen from them? I think you should go haul your ass into a lettuce field and so some picking then... stop bitching and start doing the work you advocate others shouldn't do. My niece came to this country in the womb of an illegal. She came here to have her baby, put it up for adoption, and then she went back to Mexico... she wanted her daughter to have a life she could not give her. Parts of Mexico are a warzone. I know that doesn't matter to you, but it matters to me. I love my niece. She is beautiful. I want her to know all about her courageous mother that it worth 10 of you

TreasureKY -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 10:13:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania There is someone I go to school with who is doing research on college students who only find out they are here illegally when they apply to college and their parents tell them that they can't get a social security card, they have no green card, and basically they can't get student aid, etc... from the moment they find this out they fear being deported. These young people have no friends in Mexico, often do not speak Spanish, and their identity is that of an American citizen. They went through our public schools, they grew up here... but they do not have "documents". There is quite a large population of such students in Southern California... these young people have no path to citizenship. This is why we need reform. This is why people need a path to citizenship, because many are completely "assimilated", yet have no legal standing through no fault of their own. You know... life isn't fair. It's sad, but true. So there are kids who've grown up in the wealth and advantages of the US, but find out they are illegal through no fault of their own. How is that any more tragic than the child who grows up without a father? Or one with a mother who is a drug addict? Or one who knows nothing but abuse? Or whose life will be cut short due to illness? Or who lives with a disability? Yes, it would be nice to cure all the ills and injustices of the world. Perhaps if that large population of Americanized students returned to Mexico, they could use their advantages help remake their own country into their liking.

popeye1250 -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 10:29:02 AM)
Julia, you seem to be saying that the U.S. is a big chump and anyone who can sneak in is "entitled" to the Taxpayer's largesse. As for "organ transplants" let the persons home country provide them not U.S. Taxpayers. Our govt. is supposed to be taking care of our own people, not foreign nationals and certainly not illegal aliens. And as college students "who identify as Americans" how about bank robbers "who identify as Robin Hood?" It would be a new learning experience for them and with U.S. high school diplomas they would be in the elite of Mexico! One of them may even become Mexico's president and start taking care of their own people for a change. One thing people in Washington need to realise is that Mexico is not our "friend." Julia, you're a "human rights over race person?" Sneaking into any foreign country is not a "right." Nor is demanding citizenship. You should probably be writing to the Mexican govt and castigating them, not us. It always amazes me to hear people who are for "human rights" criticise the U.S. instead of foreign countries that abuse "human rights." They always have two solutions; A. more immigration to the U.S. or B. more money from the U.S. to foreign countries! Ther never want to hold foreign countries feet to the fire! And for whatever reason they don't seem to care about people in the U.S. who are having hard times. They'll walk right past a homeless person like they're "invisable." And what about the "Human Rights" of the American People not to have our country invaded by illegal aliens?

TreasureKY -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 10:48:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I could give a rat's ass about everything you posted. I am a human rights over race person. I see you as a racist... pure and simple. And by the way, while I can't speak for Tazzy, I will say that I find your ignorance offending. There is a huge difference between racism and wishing to not support illegal behavior. Anyone... and I mean ANYONE from any country of any color and of any race who wishes to immigrate into the United States legally to become an active and contributing member of our society, will be welcomed by me. I would be just as disturbed by an illegal flood of the purist Caucasians into our country.

tazzygirl -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 11:20:17 AM)
quote: I could give a rat's ass about everything you posted. I am a human rights over race person. I see you as a racist... pure and simple. You would state that people who work in dangerous environments that get paid very little, and because they work for so little it subsidizes the food you shovel into your American piehole, these people deserve to have their labor stolen from them? I think you should go haul your ass into a lettuce field and so some picking then... stop bitching and start doing the work you advocate others shouldn't do. Lets get a few things straigh, stupid. First, i have been in tobacco fields as a child. Its how we earned our money for school clothes. Surprise, surprise! Im sick of your bleeding heart for someone who is here illegally... and i dont give a rats ass what race they are. Second, show me where i said they didnt deserve to have that back pay. Come on, show me. I posted on that before. Illegals are here illegally... you cant argue that fact. Your comment that they are paid less is only true because they accept less, not because they have no recourse. I actually applauded the fact that this worker won. I would rather illegals won such cases than people who are legally able to work lose out on jobs because an illegal can get paid less. Its ok, dear julia, you can close your mouth now. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=85432 Do some homework. quote: My niece came to this country in the womb of an illegal. She came here to have her baby, put it up for adoption, and then she went back to Mexico... she wanted her daughter to have a life she could not give her. Parts of Mexico are a warzone. I know that doesn't matter to you, but it matters to me. I love my niece. She is beautiful. I want her to know all about her courageous mother that it worth 10 of you And now we come to your reasons for your anger and bitterness. You have no clue about what im worth. Perhaps you need to rethink your position on this. Emotions can lead one into a passionate, and fruitless, battle. So, because i insist our country uphold the Constitution, i am worthless in your eyes. Nice to see your arguments are based upon logic and reasoning... not. As for my questions, of course you couldnt give a rats ass about them, because you cant answer them that wouldnt toss your own argument into the trash can. But i will repost what you refuse to answer for fear of self-incrimination. quote: Someone spoke about the cost of illegals to California and welfare. How are they obtaining welfare if they are illegal? For that matter, how are they paying taxes, social security, medicare? I realize some are on work visas that ran out and they continue to stay. But not all. How are these undocumented workers paying into our system without being part of the system?

tazzygirl -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 11:26:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I could give a rat's ass about everything you posted. I am a human rights over race person. I see you as a racist... pure and simple. And by the way, while I can't speak for Tazzy, I will say that I find your ignorance offending. There is a huge difference between racism and wishing to not support illegal behavior. Anyone... and I mean ANYONE from any country of any color and of any race who wishes to immigrate into the United States legally to become an active and contributing member of our society, will be welcomed by me. I would be just as disturbed by an illegal flood of the purist Caucasians into our country. Treasure, i feel the same way. Just because the majority of illegals in this country and mexican, julia assumes thats all we are discussing, how to toss people like her sweet, adorable neice, who is worth at least 10 of me, back to another country. she was born american, she IS american. Her mother made that decision. What julia fails to realize is the cost associated with such a birth. I have pointed that out before, i wont go into it again. quote: The illegal immigrant population of the United States in 2008 was estimated by the Center for Immigration Studies to be about 11 million people, down from 12.5 million people in 2007.[2] According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 57% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 24% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America;[3] 9% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe; and 4% were from the rest of the world.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States They are...... illegal immigrants... here illegally. Why is this such an issue? Should we just open our boarders and tell them all to come on in, open our arms, homes and pocketbooks? I really dont get how someone can call a few students "snot nosed racists" because they wear a flag, yet belittle those who simply want the goverment to step up and implement our laws.

Jasmineinbloom -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 11:32:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: Her ancestors aren't natural born Americans. I never knew that. Where are they from? The UK. This is from Wikipedia and also Ancestry.com

tazzygirl -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 11:55:48 AM)
quote: There is someone I go to school with who is doing research on college students who only find out they are here illegally when they apply to college and their parents tell them that they can't get a social security card, they have no green card, and basically they can't get student aid, etc... from the moment they find this out they fear being deported. These young people have no friends in Mexico, often do not speak Spanish, and their identity is that of an American citizen. They went through our public schools, they grew up here... but they do not have "documents". There is quite a large population of such students in Southern California... these young people have no path to citizenship. This is why we need reform. This is why people need a path to citizenship, because many are completely "assimilated", yet have no legal standing through no fault of their own. The fault lays at the feet of their own parents... and the government. I dont believe these students should be in our public schools either. This is getting rediculous. They get welfare, food stamps, many work under the counter for less money (so much for the idea that they pay taxes) and no one knows they are here until the kids sign up for college. You want me to feel sorry for these people. Sorry, i just cant. On some issues, i am very liberal. On this one, i am extremely conservative. They should not be here. Enabling the parents by making it easier for their children is not the solution, it only opens up a bigger flood gate. quote: Illegal immigrants work in many sectors of the U.S. economy. According to National Public Radio, about 3 percent work in agriculture; 33 percent have jobs in service industries; and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (16 percent), and in production, installation, and repair (17 percent).[4] According to USA Today, about 4 percent work in farming; 21 percent have jobs in service industries; and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (19 percent), and in production, installation, and repair (15 percent), with 12% in sales, 10% in management, and 8% in transportation.[5] Illegal immigrants have lower incomes than both legal immigrants and native-born Americans, but earnings do increase somewhat the longer an individual is in the country.[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States Before you jump on the.. see, i told you so.. bandwagon about wages. The Super 88 lawsuit was won in 2009, after these figures. And Super 88 wasnt the only lawsuit at this time. quote: According to the report, Attorney General Martha Coakley has staffed bilingual employees, allowed complaints to be filed in 90 languages and provided logbooks to nonprofit organizations to help illegal aliens track their hours. Now state officials are implementing a no tolerance policy for companies that don't compensate illegals. In November, 764 former workers at a New Bedford factory raided by U.S. immigration agents won an $850,000 settlement. The company was forced to pay overtime wages. In May, C-Mart Supermarket in Chinatown was forced to pay $66,000 for not adhering to state minimum wage. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=85432 Other lawsuits you may wish to read up on.... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/18/rancher-cleared-in-rights-case/ ILLEGALS WIN LAWSUITS Two undocumented workers from Mexico and one from Ecuador have reached court settlements in recent weeks for a total of $3.85 million in damages for New York construction-site accidents, an attorney for the men announced Wednesday. "All three cases involve construction and terribly unsafe working conditions," the attorney, Brian O'Dwyer, said in a news conference. "We're here today to re-emphasize -- as we have in the past -- to the Latino community and all undocumented workers that they have the same rights once they're on the job as any New York citizen." A 33-year-old undocumented plumber from Mexico who was scalded by an exploding pipe at a Wall Street construction site in 2004 settled his damage claim for $2.5 million, according to a statement given to reporters at the news conference. The married father of two, who says he still has nightmares from the accident, hopes to open a restaurant or bar with the settlement money, his cousin told reporters. In a separate statement, owners of the Wall Street site said only that the injured plumber was "employed directly by [the] contractor and not by the owner of the property nor the managing agent." Reached through a public relations firm, a spokesperson for the contractor, Swig Equities, had no comment. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/17/new.york.undocumented.workers.lawsuit/index.html And they are quite protected by a system you claim they can find no recourse from.

popeye1250 -> RE: ABC News Reports 59% Agree with Az. Immigration Law (5/15/2010 12:36:47 PM)
Tazzy, being of Irish descent I'd arrest and deport the illegal alien Irish out of the country first, just to set the example. Hey! It's saturday! Every saturday night I do my "ethnic studies" by watching "COPS" and "America's Most Wanted!" It's fun to see how many times they use the words, "May be in Mexico!" "May?" ya' think? The local news here last night said that up in N. Carolina (about 30 miles from here) illegal aliens cause one third of the fatal DUI accidents but comprise less than 2 % of the population. Must be a bunch of drunken Swedes getting behind the wheel I guess! And next month they said that the state of S. Carolina will be inspecting small businesses to make sure they are in compliance with state laws against hiring illegal aliens. I took pictures of four businesses workers and plate numbers and co. logos. This state is pretty good about enforcing the laws in that area, we have some of the strictest right behind Georgia. But, New Hampshire was too.

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