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What do you feel a nation's priority should be?

Itself, nobody else will do it for them

11% (4)

Itself and its allies, who are treated differently from its enemies

8% (3)

The World, and the greater good of humanity

20% (7)

Itself, so it's strong enough to help the world when it wants to.

42% (15)

Other. Post about it.

17% (6)

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(last vote on : 5/17/2010 7:20:24 AM)
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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 6:59:48 PM

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America is infamous for sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong. And, with the way the government is set up, nobody with a brain will ever be allowed to run...LOL

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:02:35 PM

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I think of it as a parent. What kind of parent would I be if on my limited budget I took from my children's mouths to feed other people? I try to give to my community but not at the detremint of my own children. THAT is what the US has done IMO.

Let's take your analogy here, shall we? Let's see. Oh yes, and the person you are giving that food to? Has a gun in one hand and a grenade at his belt and has said that if you don't give me that food, I will blow up you and your children.

Yes, a good parent would still feed their children and then watch them get blown to smithereens

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:04:09 PM

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Perhaps I am overly tired but I dont understand your twist on my analogy sunshine.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:17:59 PM

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A nation's priorities can not be only for itself. Just like your priorities can not be merely your children.

A nation must look at what is around it. Just like you have ot look at your neighborhood.

A nation needs to deal with other countries in a number of ways to protect its citizens immediately and for the long haul just like you have to deal with other people and how they can impact on your children.

If someone stood in front of you with a gun in his hand and a grenade on his belt and said, "so little lady, tell me about those sandwiches you have there. My people are mighty hungry and pretty irritable because we make ten cents a day, and a piece of bread costs ten cents." And he's tapping his gun with his hand as he's eyeing up you and your food. What would you do? YOU'D GIVE HIM THE SANDWICH.

It's the same with the USA and dealing with other countries. They are starving. Millions of people in other places are starving to death. Their governments are holding on by fear tactics. They *really do* kill people without any qualms. Our country needs to have some ties with them, and keep them at bay.

Your analogy was very insular. You talked as if people in the USA are starving which is a load of poppycock. There are certainly isolated incidents, but you sure aren't emaciated. You have clean water, no one is starving, there is food on the shelves at the grocery store, your toes have not frozen off in the winter because you had nothing to heat your home with.

You talk as if there is no danger outside of your home, your country. That, too, is poppycock.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:23:08 PM

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I totally disagree that there are not people without clean water, housing or food within the United States. If you don't recognize that perhaps you need to remove your blinders. There are also many who live below the poverty level, again if you don't see that perhaps you need to take off your blinders. I am not nor have I ever said dont help others but as a nation we need to take care our own 1st IMO. Only then can we truly help any one else.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:42:30 PM

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Bullshit. People who want clean water can get it in the USA. Get a bucket, go down to the service station, the store, the church. Living below the poverty level? What is that? Bullshit. The US doesn't know poverty. The difference is that people in the USA are so coddled and pampered that they think that "the poverty level" actually means something. There is no poverty in the USA. You just *think* there is.

Just how do we need to take care of our own? We are one of the richest nations in the world. We have more crap, more stuff, more materialism than just about anyone. We eat meat when we should be feeding the grain to the people instead of to the animals. When was the last time you had no money and had to go to the river for weeks on end to catch a fish to feed your children? And come to think of it... did you have those children in a hospital? Or did you have them in a ditch along the road because you have no home and the hospital is a 50 mile walk away.

The opinion you expressed comes from a limited view. Go see a little bit of the world, see how other people live, and then you have this discussion with me. Don't come to the table with basically no information.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:50:19 PM

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i say, close up America, offer the threat of Nuclear war if anyone screws with us (launch first, ask questions later) and solve out own problems. this BS has been going on for far too long and those who think that we should stick our noses where they don't belong should be exported from here to those countries that they want to help and let them put themselves to some use. we need to stop this crap and soon. of course, i'm still waiting for America to fall just like the U.S.S.R. (i can hardly wait for this to happen)

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:51:14 PM

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This is why I stay away from political threads normally. sunshine we obviously totally disgree but I NEVER once insulted you and am kind of suprised that you took it to that level. Well actually I'm not but I am done with thread not because I dont stand by my opinion or thoughts on the subject but because I will not get into a personal attack with you or anyone else online.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 7:57:22 PM

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There is no insult to you ink. I disagreed with your opinion and gave reasons. What did you give? Nothing but opinion. If you stand by your opinions and thoughts, back them up. Just "I think this" is not really much for a discussion, eh?

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 8:08:43 PM

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no, poverty, huh? look what i found (and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2004/01/Understanding-Poverty-in-America

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/08/How-Poor-Are-Americas-Poor-Examining-the-Plague-of-Poverty-in-America

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2010/0120_poverty_kneebone.aspx

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2005/10poverty_berube.aspx

http://www.frbsf.org/cpreport/

http://www.savethechildren.org/countries/usa/facts-and-figures.html

http://www.soundvision.com/Info/poor/statistics.asp

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 8:09:01 PM

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On any given night in America, anywhere from 700,000 to 2 million people are homeless, according to estimates of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty.
According to a December, 2000 report of the US Conference of Mayors:

single men comprise 44 percent of the homeless, single women 13 percent, families with children 36 percent, and unaccompanied minors seven percent.
the homeless population is about 50 percent African-American, 35 percent white, 12 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Native American and 1 percent Asian.
According to the National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients (NSHAPC):

single homeless individuals reported an average income of $348 during the last 30 days, about 51 percent of the 1996 federal poverty level of $680/month for one person.
28 percent said they sometimes or often do not get enough to eat, compared with 12 percent of poor American adults.
44 percent did paid work during the past month.
21 percent received income from family members or friends.
66 percent of the homeless have problems with alcohol, drug abuse, or mental illness.
22 percent have been physically assaulted.
7 percent have been sexually assaulted.
38 percent say someone stole money or things directly from them.
30 percent have been homeless for more than two years.

So don't tell me I dont have the facts or that people in this country don't go without food, shelter or the bare necessities of life. They do. That being said I am going to keep to my word and be done with this thread. As a mother I have gone without food so I can provide make sure my kids have eat'n. I have been homeless. I have struggled. So don't you are say that people in this country don't and that everyone has it all glitz and glame. The poor here simply don't make headlines like in other countries b/c as a nation we try to overlook the homeless and impoverished when we see them on the street.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 8:29:53 PM

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Poverty: 2007 and 2008
American Community Surveys

http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/acsbr08-1.pdf

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 8:41:20 PM

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The US doesn't know poverty.

Here's two terms: "Absolute poverty" and "relative poverty." This addresses what you're saying. Perhaps many in the US don't know ABSOLUTE poverty but many know RELATIVE poverty.

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Don't come to the table with basically no information.

I came with that information. Check it out

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 8:59:16 PM

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A nation's priorities can not be only for itself. Just like your priorities can not be merely your children.

A nation must look at what is around it. Just like you have ot look at your neighborhood.

A nation needs to deal with other countries in a number of ways to protect its citizens immediately and for the long haul just like you have to deal with other people and how they can impact on your children.

If someone stood in front of you with a gun in his hand and a grenade on his belt and said, "so little lady, tell me about those sandwiches you have there. My people are mighty hungry and pretty irritable because we make ten cents a day, and a piece of bread costs ten cents." And he's tapping his gun with his hand as he's eyeing up you and your food. What would you do? YOU'D GIVE HIM THE SANDWICH.

It's the same with the USA and dealing with other countries. They are starving. Millions of people in other places are starving to death. Their governments are holding on by fear tactics. They *really do* kill people without any qualms. Our country needs to have some ties with them, and keep them at bay.

Your analogy was very insular. You talked as if people in the USA are starving which is a load of poppycock. There are certainly isolated incidents, but you sure aren't emaciated. You have clean water, no one is starving, there is food on the shelves at the grocery store, your toes have not frozen off in the winter because you had nothing to heat your home with.

You talk as if there is no danger outside of your home, your country. That, too, is poppycock.

So, you are saying we should feed the hungry of the world, because they are going to attack us if we don't

wow, and I always thought we should do it because it's good to help others. I am also pretty sure you can make your own country a priority and still help others. It's not an either or kinda thing, ya know.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 9:01:08 PM

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Thanks luci,
You showed those two terms and the difference which evidently I couldn't. I appreciate that.

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ETA: *duplication grrrrrrrrrrrrrr I shoulda gone to bed earlier last night.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 9:06:05 PM

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So, you are saying we should feed the hungry of the world, because they are going to attack us if we don't wow, and I always thought we should do it because it's good to help others. I am also pretty sure you can make your own country a priority and still help others. It's not an either or kinda thing, ya know.

No boi, I was using someone else's analogy and taking it to the next step.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 9:08:02 PM

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There is no poverty in the USA. You just *think* there is.

Tell that to the family down at the homeless shelter. Or better yet, keep your thoughts to yourself. They have enough to deal with worrying about where their kids are going to get their next meal than to worry about whether you feel they have suffered enough to make your "poverty" meter.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 9:19:52 PM

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No, boy, I will not. Just because you don't like that I have a different viewpoint doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.

Am I saying that they are not poor? No, I'm saying that the US standard of poverty is different from the world standard (kudos to luci who pointed out the differences of what we are talking about).

My point is that the people who scream US FIRST are also the ones foolish enough not to see the forest for the trees. What upsets me is that these are the same people who are buying things at the dollar store, crap things that are made by Chinese people who actualy *are* living in poverty so that the people can buy the $1 fake flowers to make their home pretty. We are living in a time of stuff... junk... crap... living beyond our means, forgetting that there is more to the world than just ourselves.

The essence of what I'm saying (shockingly the same US FIRST people are again only seeing trees and not the forest) is that we can not take a narrow point of view for NATIONAL POLICY making. (I believe that was the point of the thread rather than whether people living in the homeless shelter with three hots and a cot and indoor plumbing are as qualified to call themselves poor as are the people dying of starvation and dehydration in other countries). The world is bigger than our own little lives (not meaning to channel Rick here, but hey, he was onto something!)

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 9:49:04 PM

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Why did this get moved to random stupidity? Because it was a poll? Then take away the options to post polls in other areas.

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RE: What do you feel a nation's priority should be? - 5/15/2010 9:52:48 PM

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