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Then again I have to ask, if you are correct in the interpretation of the wording why did this law need to be passed, why is there so much controversy about it, and why are Arizona legislators holding this up as a solution to the illegal immigration problem if this is just a repetition of federal law?

I don't know enough about federal immigration law to say whether there are any key differences, and I will say that the part I quoted is just a small portion of the law passed in AZ. The law also deals with employment of illegal immigrants and assisting them with staying illegally.

I'm also fairly sure it's the first law passed on a state level that requires legal immigrants to carry documentation at all times.

I'd imagine there's so much controversy because people have framed it in terms of racial profiling, and I'd imagine legislators are holding it up as a solution to win favor with the part of their constituency that elected them.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Interesting response.

I have treated you quite civilly lately, so of course you offer up a weak insult. Next you will call me a troll.


But to your point, I hate anything that reduces liberty and increases the power of law enforcement. I hate the patriot act and I hate this one. If safety is our concern, wouldn't the money be better spent on something like inspecting ALL of the cargo that comes into this country?

Why would a conservative champion the increase in government?

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Instead, the DHS rule requires the states to verify the validity, and its match with the name given, of the social security number itself, via electronically querying the Social Security On-Line Verification (SSOLV) database managed by the Social Security Administration.

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luckydawg is afraid of illegal immigrants because he has now been told to be afraid of illegal immigrants.

Show me the post where lucky wanted an ID card while Bush was President. Show me the post that luckydawg criticized Bush about illegal immigration.

What a fucking weak minded turd. Wind him up and off he goes. So predictable.


Lucky where can I get my national ID? I want to support your effort to protect America. Please keep me posted when and where I can get my National ID next year. I can't wait.

What a fucking idiot!!!

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That's the problem,  you actually believe that.

I can attest that I've been pulled over, in nice cars and shitty cars, late at night and during the day, for being a white person in a predominantly black, drug dealing neighborhood.

Which begs the question - if 95% of white people in that situation are buying drugs, is racial profiling justified? And does it change the situation if it turns out the cops were right?

Yeah sure, where and when. I smell bullshit

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Yes there is.

Reasonable suspicion is vastly expanded to not only allow but require the police to target those they suspect of being illegal.

So put your money where your mouth is and let's see where you can back what you say by citing the relevant portions of federal law and Arizona's new law.

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Then again I have to ask, if you are correct in the interpretation of the wording why did this law need to be passed, why is there so much controversy about it, and why are Arizona legislators holding this up as a solution to the illegal immigration problem if this is just a repetition of federal law?

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009
That's the problem,  you actually believe that.

I can attest that I've been pulled over, in nice cars and shitty cars, late at night and during the day, for being a white person in a predominantly black, drug dealing neighborhood.

Which begs the question - if 95% of white people in that situation are buying drugs, is racial profiling justified? And does it change the situation if it turns out the cops were right?

Yeah sure, where and when. I smell bullshit

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

luckydawg is afraid of illegal immigrants because he has now been told to be afraid of illegal immigrants.

Show me the post where lucky wanted an ID card while Bush was President. Show me the post that luckydawg criticized Bush about illegal immigration.

What a fucking weak minded turd. Wind him up and off he goes. So predictable.


Lucky where can I get my national ID? I want to support your effort to protect America. Please keep me posted when and where I can get my National ID next year. I can't wait.

What a fucking idiot!!!

Yep, no trolls around here....

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

DMyngblk. Actually you are incorrect. Real ID is coming next year, and

Before a card can be issued, the applicant must provide the following documentation[16]:

A photo ID, or a non-photo ID that includes full legal name and birthdate.
Documentation of birth date.
Documentation of legal status and Social Security number
Documentation showing name and principal residence address.

This will be nothing more than showing a drivers liscence at a legal stop.

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Yes there is.

Reasonable suspicion is vastly expanded to not only allow but require the police to target those they suspect of being illegal.

So put your money where your mouth is and let's see where you can back what you say by citing the relevant portions of federal law and Arizona's new law.

There's no need for me to back anything. what you're alleging is flat-out wrong. They aren't targeting anyone. If they happen to pull someone over for another infraction and have a reason to suspect he's illegal, they can ask for proof of citizenship. It's quite simple. What you are claiming has been disproved by reading the law itself. To claim it has not is simply wrong.

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Tazzy, then the citizens of those states are going to be screwed, and have to get passports to enter a federal building or Airplane.

Perhaps Real ID will be repealed before it takes effect, as of now it is Federal Law. There is a replacement proposal by the Democrats in Congress called "PASS".

It still requires Citizenship status. So my point, that checking the satus will be very easy, just a swipe of a drivers liscence, remains valid.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009
That's the problem,  you actually believe that.

I can attest that I've been pulled over, in nice cars and shitty cars, late at night and during the day, for being a white person in a predominantly black, drug dealing neighborhood.

Which begs the question - if 95% of white people in that situation are buying drugs, is racial profiling justified? And does it change the situation if it turns out the cops were right?

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009
That's the problem,  you actually believe that.

I can attest that I've been pulled over, in nice cars and shitty cars, late at night and during the day, for being a white person in a predominantly black, drug dealing neighborhood.

Which begs the question - if 95% of white people in that situation are buying drugs, is racial profiling justified? And does it change the situation if it turns out the cops were right?

Yeah sure, where and when. I smell bullshit

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Driving them home I was the only white person in the car. I did not even think about this until I was randomly pulled over one day. While the officer was walking to the car, one of my passengers said to me "It's because you're white and we're all black in this neighborhood." I shrugged it off and said no way. Immediately the police officer asked what we were up to even before asking for my license and registration. I explained I was giving them a ride home after practice and was asked a few more questions. We were let off with a warning. A few weeks later, I was picking one of them up before a game and was approached by police again. They asked what I was doing in that neighborhood. I explained I was waiting to pick someone up and they demanded I say who which I did not understand why but obliged regardless. They gave me a very hard time but let me off saying to be careful since the area was known for drugs. My friend later hopped in and told me that they pull over white people on that street because they think that they are drug dealers. Was he serious? I was considered to be a drug dealer because I was sitting outside a house waiting for a friend in a black neighborhood? This was the case and from that day on I have always been alert of these race distinctions. Depending where you are, the color of your skin WILL affect you.

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009
That's the problem,  you actually believe that.

I can attest that I've been pulled over, in nice cars and shitty cars, late at night and during the day, for being a white person in a predominantly black, drug dealing neighborhood.

Which begs the question - if 95% of white people in that situation are buying drugs, is racial profiling justified? And does it change the situation if it turns out the cops were right?

Yeah sure, where and when. I smell bullshit

You don't believe that cops pull over whites for being in black neighborhoods? Come to Detroit and I will drive you through Brightmore, you can hide in the backseat. But don't worry, after I explain to the cops that I am there because I have a friend who lives there and not to score, they will let us go. Well as long as you have the proper ID anyway. I always carry mine, because I know if I don't, they will give me a hard time and could possibly lock me up.