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ORIGINAL: Saint
Very interesting indeed. So if the divine responds non-causally (which means there is not a cause and effect here to your asking) how do you infer your information? You cannot do so concretely. Instead all you can do is provide a personal interpretation onto your own viewpoints. An interpretation that is nothing more than a mere guess. And as we all know, quesses are nothing concrete or provable by themselves.
Perhaps you had better look up the history of the discovery of the structure of the benzene ring, huh?
I am not dependent on proof. There has been plenty proven that was later shown to be wrong.
Proof is an obstruction to truth. Once something is proven, its truth cannot be doubted any more.
In contrast my world is one of probabilities. There is probable truth - but those truths are subject to change once new information and arguments are presented, replacing them perchance by other and better truths.
I wish you lots of self-congratulatory content moments in your world of proofs.
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ORIGINAL: Saint
This would be very similiar to those who argue that they need nothing more than faith to prove to themselves the existence of a god or goddess. Despite the fact that faith and belief are nothing more than believing in the unbelievable without proof.
I very much doubt that people confuse faith with proof. Faith pertains to the spiritual, proof pertains to the physical.
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ORIGINAL: Saint
So in essence, somehow you are inferring through your own perceptions and thoughts that there is indeed a divine being even though in admittance you informed us that it could not and would not interfere causally in our universe.
I do not know that the Divine is a being. What is a being? Some entity inside our universe, I would say. The Divine is 'outside' our universe.
I use scientific arguments to arrive at scientific truths. Is there any other way?
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ORIGINAL: Saint
It is amazing that whenever people say they are 'divinely' inspired or they hear the voice of god that there are people who believe them. Simply astonishing and yet... if you did not put a religious spin on this then there would be other names this is known by. Mainly names such as dementia, schizophrenia, etc.
Well, considering that you presumably were Divinely inspired when you wrote this, my curious mind wonders whether you suffer from dementia, from schizophrenia, or from etc?
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ORIGINAL: Saint
One of the things I find amazing is when people claim personal experience in these matters as proof of the existence of a higher power. The beautiful thing about personal experience though is that it is utterly convincing to you and which cannot be proved or disproved to anyone else.
Some personal experiences are proof of something, and some are not.
As for spirituality: it has to be experienced. The Divine by necessity not causally interacting with the universe, prohibits proof from being applicable.
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ORIGINAL: Saint
And yet, if a man claimed to hear his dead father speaking to him he would be locked up in an asylum. But if he were to claim the voice of god or the divine was speaking to him or through him, his fellow believers might very well make him into a saint.
Depends on the nature of the voice. What is a voice? Some people used to believe that any noise was a voice: their squeaky doors spoke. There are lots of different ways to produce voices. If interested, you might consult a ventriloquist, a magician, an audio technician and a shrink.
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ORIGINAL: Saint
Clearly there is safety in numbers when it comes to hearing voices, huh?
That depends on the message. If President Obama would announce that he was going to nuke my town, I would make a run for a low population density area.
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