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FirmhandKY -> RE: Which religious beliefs still influence you? (5/19/2010 7:03:32 AM)
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
Except that's not what you did, and you know it. And this is where the intellectual honesty comes in again. I gave a complex answer, and you helpfully "summarized" it down to one word. What, you're telling me you don't have the intellectual capacity to parse out a 6-word clause in a sentence? You have to "summarize" it down to one word so you can understand it?
It seems to me, that when I clarify what you are saying, you see that it will negatively affect your position, so you get irate, and deflect, rather than engage.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
Sorry, but I refuse to believe you're really that stupid. You do this all the time. You quote people out of context, rephrase what they said, and hope they don't notice that you just changed the terms of the debate right under their noses. Don't give me that "I was just trying to simplify your argument for you" crap. I've seen you pull this way too many times to buy that BS from you.
What I do is parse their "logic" to the core of the argument, in which case the weakness of the argument starts to become apparent.
You are a pretty smart guy, and you start to see the impending collapse.
You are also a pretty good at not wanting to admit it, so you attempt deflection through ad hominems and claims of bad faith on your opponent's part.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I chose my words the way I did for a reason. If you can't figure out how to respond to what I actually said, then get out of the thread. Don't reword my argument for me.
And your words reveal your logic (or lack thereof), and it incenses you to be caught out.
I'm sure you would like to silence me, have me "get out of the thread", because you can't stand having your weaknesses being exposed.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I'm not trying to avoid anything. I told you at the outset, if it makes you feel comfortable to believe that universal moral principles are actually religious beliefs simply because religions decide to claim them as their own, you should go right ahead and keep telling yourself that.
This is the core of your logical problem.
You wish to separate out from any religion anything which you wish to define as a "universal moral principle". In other words, if a belief is not exclusively and uniquely a part of a single religion, you are defining it as "not religious".
As I have said, this is an uncommon and falsely exclusive definition of a "religious belief".
In effect, you are saying something such as the Christian "Golden Rule" isn't part of the Christian creed of beliefs. You are saying "Thou Shalt Not Kill" has not connection with Christianity.
Any person not invested in their position would find this instantly suspect.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I told you that in my opinion, it was a pretty weak position, but that you should just knock yourself out if that's what you needed to believe. You then asked me how I would define a religious belief, and I told you. If it doesn't fit the definition you need to embrace in order to avoid feeling threatened, that's not my problem.
No, what I have done is expose your poor reasoning.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to make up your own facts and definitions out of whole cloth to support that position, without expecting to be called out on it.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
But you go right ahead and keep believing it, Firm. You keep right on telling yourself that when Jesus Christ and his apostles stole the teachings of the secular scholar and philosopher Siddhartha Gautama word for word and called it Christianity, that suddenly made them religious beliefs.
Again, uncommon and falsely exclusive definition of a "religious belief".
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
If it gives you comfort, hang onto it. I will continue to maintain that I never learned anything of value from a religion.
See my comments above about opinions and facts.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I will continue to maintain that Jesus Christ never had an original thought in his life, and neither did Mohamad or the founder of any other religion. I will continue to maintain that everything you consider to be a beneficial religious belief is a universal moral principle that predates and transcends your puny religions, and that your insistence on attributing these principles to religion and giving them any credit at all for the ideas they stole discredits and shames both you and the religions.
You are repeating yourself. Again.
This often happens when people are in a corner, logically. They seem to think repetition turns bad logic into fact.
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
But like I said.... if that's what you need to do to feel comfortable with your world, knock yourself out, man. You can only be who you are.
Look into the mirror.
Firm
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