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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 1:53:49 AM   
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This whole thread should be deleted. Not locked, but completely fucking erased. It is beneath me or anyone I would welcome into my home or organisation. This is so fucking stupid it reeks.

I MEAN DELETED, and never ever allowed to happen again. Youse people have not the ability to debate such issues logically and I consider this thread to be a fucking embarrassment to CM, and to me.

Now how's that for the truth ?

T


you forgot to tell us why?

You arent one of those guys who talks about liberty up to the point of the real solution to obtain it and then turn cheek are you?

I have seen a lot of that out here.

Especially in the 911 debates.  There are people out here that agree until arrow hits the bulls eye then they completely disagree maintaining the general acceptance that there is no way out.








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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 1:58:05 AM   
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Huh ?

You are as bad as Ken.

"It is beneath me or anyone I would welcome into my home or organisation. This is so fucking stupid it reeks. "

What part did you miss ?

T

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 1:59:42 AM   
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Huh ?

You are as bad as Ken.

"It is beneath me or anyone I would welcome into my home or organisation. This is so fucking stupid it reeks. "

What part did you miss ?

T


The part where you explained why you chose to voluntarily associate yourself with something so far beneath you, maybe?

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 2:02:23 AM   
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Huh ?

You are as bad as Ken.

"It is beneath me or anyone I would welcome into my home or organisation. This is so fucking stupid it reeks. "

What part did you miss ?

T


you failed to express the components of what is beneath you.

its beneath you just because

because it is.

is not answering why term


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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 2:06:34 AM   
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Huh ?

You are as bad as Ken.

"It is beneath me or anyone I would welcome into my home or organisation. This is so fucking stupid it reeks. "

What part did you miss ?

T


The part where you explained why you chose to voluntarily associate yourself with something so far beneath you, maybe?



yeh but people like term are the only ones on here that remotely stand a chance of denting my position on the matter.

you so far have not even left a spec of dust on the finish.... 

(but then its early)


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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 2:23:25 AM   
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yeh but people like term are the only ones on here that remotely stand a chance of denting my position on the matter.

you so far have not even left a spec of dust on the finish.... 

(but then its early)



I'm not really interested in changing your mind.

In fact I'd suggest you run for President. You seem to have it all figured out.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 2:31:17 AM   
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yeh but people like term are the only ones on here that remotely stand a chance of denting my position on the matter.

you so far have not even left a spec of dust on the finish.... 

(but then its early)



I'm not really interested in changing your mind.

In fact I'd suggest you run for President. You seem to have it all figured out.


I would never disgrace myself like that.

I might be a sub but puppet on a string is even below me.

I always remind my libertarian friends who think that their getting into office will magically turn things to their favor that the government is like a big ole gear clock.

When you take one gear out the next one has to mesh with the existing gears or they get ground to bits.

Ph my mind is changed all the time.  Just have to make an on point rebuttal to do it.


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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 2:34:06 AM   
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REALly asking for it huh ?

First of all, proof is in your other thread you just started about taxes being voluntary. OK fine, first of all, any sane Man would shut the fuck up about it, but then there is Bannister and a few others. You HAVE heard of Bannister I hope. You think all this shit is new. You failed objectivity, He's been around for at least ten years after resigning from the IRS. Probably more. You see it as new because it is new to you and quite frankly you are trying to let the cat out of the bag for me and a few friends of mine. For one that is totally fucking stoooooooopid, and if you EVER want any help from me you had better stop it and stop it now, go edit that post and just put in "oops". Not to do so shows a lack of intelligence on your part. Do you understand this ? Do you understand that I know peolpe who have saved millions of dollars with that approach ? I am not going to help you blow our gig.

I don't care about your childish ambition for fame here, reality is upon us motherfucker and if you don't shut the fuck up somebody will shut you up. What's more what happened to Schmitt can happen to you. Let me tell you BOY, that you are like the hornblower, but it's three AM and peole are sleeping. Those ovf us who are up and thinking are not trying to spread the word and get everyone on the bandwagon. Know why boy ? Because we know already from twenty fucking years ago that everything we do that works, if we spread the word too much they change up, they regroup and then again we start losing. We have cost high powered judges the house of their dreams, we have made it impossible for them to travel, we have done alot of things, but they have changed up. They regroup, they adapt. They are not as stoooopid as you think and they DO NOT tip their hand to the world like you do. With maturity you will learn to keep you fucking mouth shut. Do you now understand the first part ?

Second of all, you bring up law concepts that are imp[ossible for most people to grasp, and you do it on an open forum, which is dangerous to say the least. Not only to you, but CM and the other members, and that includes ME. Until you learn that loose lips sink ships we will not collaberate on anything whatsoever. Every fucking thing you type in this forum is available to anyone with internet access. If you don't get the hint you are truly substandard in intelligence, and again, worse than Ken.

What's more you seem to be unwilling to stop, and that displays a wreckless disregard for thiose on your side, so why the fuck should I be on your side ?

Want more detail, say the word, I'll be on for a bit longer to answer any questions. But I am not tipping my hand and not sharing any of my secrets with you until you learn to shut the fuck up.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 2:47:55 AM   
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I havent told any secrets term.

with what these tards are capable of I could lay it all out with how to diagrams and they wouldnt make any sense out of it. LOL

I was frankly shocked at how little they know about these matters.

Besides I love being called a kook, you know there is nothing more fun than building working tesla transmitters and having tards tell you they dont work LMAO

yeh that tax post poses a very easy for them to understand problem in its most simple terms.

Of course they will.  Do you think I am the only one in this country who talks about this stuff?  Sure they change it up and quite fast I have to say.  That is why they have resorted to killing many of the people who actually do the step by step teaching process.

Its a new advancement from just throwing them in jail for life like they used to do.

wahlers just won their case and I cant wait to see brandon kick the doj's ass around the block a few times.

What you dont realize term is the law is on our side, not theirs and they only way they can win is through deceit and people allow them to have the guns.

Now thats a thought we need laws to remove all guns from government.




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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 3:26:38 AM   
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A question for the brighter Obama critics here - how long will Obama be the 44th President of the USA?

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Until 01/20/2012, unless of course some one/entity with the wherewithal has the integrity to make him prove he is eligible. Note that the Department of Hawaii Home Lands didn't accept a Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" as prima-facie evidence of birth in Hawaii...at least it didn't until mid-2009 when it updated it's web-site...and it still requires both parents birth certificates et al documentation in addition to a "Certification of Live Birth".


Are you sure? You dont want to phone a friend?

January 20th 2012 - final answer?

Obama will no longer be the 44th President from that day?

Are you sure?

............we'll be right back, after this commercial break.

E



The election will be held in 2012 (Tuesday after the first Monday of November), he will be president until January 20, 2013 ( Inauguration Day).  Is that what you are looking for? 

I will add that the period of time between election and inauguration is considered a "lame duck" time.  Also people tend to think of the new presidency as happening once all of the election results are in (and sometimes before that.)  So it is understandable where the 2012 timetable comes in.  After all, we do not need the pony express to bring us the news anymore, which is why there was a nearly 3 month wait between the election and inauguration in the first place.  (That and the whole electoral college thing.)


Since i am not an Obama critic, i will mail you on the other side, Aylee.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 4:02:05 AM   
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"Besides I love being called a kook"

I don't know about your background, but where I come from such a statement from someone 54 years old indicates a problem. When I was 14 and ran my mouth about the family business it was one of the rare times I got smacked, and smacked hard. Perhaps you never experienced that. You don't consider the ramifications of what you do, or post. You have cost yourself so much credibility that in your one recent coherent post people won't believe it. (Too Many Jobs)

You have no idea what perception is, you live it rather than understand it. I understand that people cannot and/or will not understand it, and I prefer to waste my energy on more fruitful endeavors. We can't change the world. You could turn 300 million people into non taxpayers and all that would do is to make them respond, and make it impossible. You are like an evangelist, one of the lowest life forms on the planet, at least in that respect.

And I bet you still don't get it. I mean I tried to be supportive because I know you know things, and I know how closed minded people can be, but I simply must stop, because that word to the wise though a word is not .............. get it ?

When a word to the wise falls on deaf ears it is akin to tree falling in the forest with noone to hear. Is there a sound ? I wouldn't even have rsponded at all if your second post to the taxes thread had not preceded my response here. Do you have any idea why ? Have you ever been at odds with the government in court ? I have. I was sued at 18 for over a quarter million dollars, and my family and I handled it for about three grand. I have been there, I have found out firsthand. In the beginning I let others handle it, just threw money at it, but my aim was right on target. I probably got more tickets fixed thant you have ever gotten, and you are chronicallogically(sp) five years my senior !.

But you are still wreckless and young in the mind, which is not the worst thing in the world, but you are not ready for all this shit, of that I am sure. It is old hat to me.

And you come in here claiming we are all sovereign and Kings and Queens and all that shit, you are obviously unduly influenced. By this age you should know better. In my position really, the best course of action is to let you go down in flames. To distance myself from you, and keep my own ass tight.

Like my one buddy, gets busted with a grow room, hydroponics, and the usual cache of illegal weapons. Fought them on his terms and they sent him to a shrink to find out if he was nuts. After finding out he wasn't they dropped his ass in jail. Ten years. OK, well then he thought about it a different way and fought them playing their game, and on appeal was not only released, but actually acuitted, despite the plants, the guns, all the physical evidence. While he is not as stupid as you, he was going to sue the government, including for lost income. Well, he is under title 808 or something and is a non taxpayer, but I warned nim nonetheless to just shut the fuck up, get back to business and make some money. How big of a target do you want to be ?

For lost income he would have to prove the previous income, and in doing that if they bite him, everything he would win and then some would be gone, simple math. His idea with the IRS was don't volunteer and don't tattle on yourself. Why the fuck would he try such a thing. Because he was young in the mind and thought he was invincible. Overconfidence is a big big problem in this world. In that venue you can only sue for verifiable actual income, as defined by the IRS, which blows the whole thing, and once that happens his status is gone. We are talking millions of dollars here. I told him straight out that if he tried it he was a real fucking idiot. The only thing he could sue for is time away from his family and things like that, and his son was about 19 and driving around, nary to be found, and his daughter was an an athelete and had such a full schedule it really didn't matter that much, how much could he get without declaring his 300K per year income ?

Bite your tongue, go home and fuck your olady and get to work. Why ask for trouble ?

While some of these points you bring up matter to some, one must pick his battles. That's why the US wasn't in China after that Tienemenemenme(sp) Square thing, because a bully doesn't do so well in the face of another strength. Why weren't we in Tibet a few years ago, the same rwason. You pick battles, don't let them pick you.

It is not law learning you need, it is life learning. It seems to me that you haven't played the game enough to really understand it, and are therefore in no position to give advice. So why preach upon deaf ears and make yourself look like a fucking nut ? I really am on your side, but I deny association because you lack certain qualities, and those are that of a winner. You want 300 million people to stop paying taces just because they can. Just what good would that do you ? Schmitt was the same way, and one day when you are about 60 you may also get convicted of aasaulting 12 armed federal agents while unarmed and serve the senrences consecutively. You have no fucking idea what you are up against. If you were Schmitt, how would you handle the defense ? You tell me. This was a highly educated Man, very articulate and everything and he couldn't beat them. What chance do you think you have ?

I can only make one of two assumptions here, one is that you are not smart enough to handle this and/or don't understand it fully, or that you are an enemy spy, working for the government to uncover those who are discontent enough to fight them, thus alerting them. Which is it ? It is CERTAINLY one or the other.

Take your pick.

T

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 4:35:53 AM   
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The article lies.

Per the article you posted...

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The US Congress knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not constitutionally qualified for the office he holds. Although the congress passed a resolution proclaiming Senator John McCain a “natural born citizen” as the son of two US citizens, no such congressional resolution exists for Barack Hussein Obama.


You may want to read up on the following...


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RESOLUTION

Recognizing and celebrating the 50th anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink


Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th anniversary of Proclamation 3309, signed by Dwight D. Eisenhower, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii Admission Act (Public Law 86-3; 73 Stat. 4), enacted into law on March 18, 1959;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink


Whereas Hawaii is a place like no other, with people like no other, and bridges mainland United States to the Asia-Pacific region;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink


Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink


Whereas Hawaii contributed to a more diverse Congress by electing--CommentsClose CommentsPermalink


http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-sr225/text


You Lie.

No where does sr225, the resolution you referenced, proclaim Barack Hussein Obama a "naturnal born citizen" as the son of two U.S. citizens...or any reasonable facimile thereto.


It doesnt need to proclaim him the son of two US citizens. The fact that it proclaims him born in Hawaii is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen.


The fact that SR225 doesn't proclaim Obama the son of two U.S. citizens but SR511 does proclaim McCain the son of two U.S. citizens, means that the U.S. Congress held Obama to a lower standard than McCain. Why the double-standard? The fact that four legacy SCOTUS rulings have been based in part on "natural born citizen" meaning born it the country to citizen parents (plural) means being born in Hawaii is not enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen. Finally, there's the fact that Obama's Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" wouldn't be enough to satisfy the Department of Hawaii Home Lands that he was a natural born citizen of Hawaii.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 4:41:07 AM   
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It doesnt need to proclaim him the son of two US citizens. The fact that it proclaims him born in Hawaii is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen.


Tazzy, stop being so damn sneaky and pointing out the obvious. It isn`t fair on Jim.

Politesub52, you should consider researching an issue before making your ignorance of same obvious.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 4:46:03 AM   
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LOL

Im a labor and delivery nurse. I do believe i would know what is legal evidence in this country for birth aand what isnt.


you talking about affidavits from 2 witnesses?

arent to many ways you can make a legitimate public record you know.



Since you arent too familiar, allow me to inform.

Nurses notes are just as much part of the medical file as Physician's notes, just as legally binding, and just as legally required.

Each Labor and Delivery unit is required to keep a record of live births. I remember working at Conway Hospital in SC in that L&D unit. Included in its record of live births is a famous game show personality. Included in that record, as in all live birth records kept on the unti, was the name, sex, race, apgar score, medications given during delivery, complications, time admitted to the nursery, pediatrician assigned, and a tiny column left for the baby's legal name before discharge. No lines are allowed to be skipped, no white out may be used. Any errors result in a single line drawn through the entire entry and an immediate correction entry beneath that is made. These are large ledgers and depending on the size of the unit and number of deliveries, they can be used on the unit for years before being completely filled out. At which time they are shelved within the nursery and a new one began.

This record is admissable in courts as proof of a live birth.


Then why hasn't Obama simply authorized the Hawaii Department of Health to make any part of such record available to the general public and put an immediate end to all the speculation?

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 4:56:02 AM   
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none of the above,

I could tell your buddy how to get remedy but (first I never give legal advice) and secondly its obvious you got it handled.

Yeh I do hear you but what I talk about on here no where near approaches or rises to the level of teaching.  At least not in a sense like the people they go after, much less imprison or waste. 

Do you think the guv dont know who is what?  They know how many of people there are what their convictions are, hell they monitor every damn thing because the tards think its for their protection.  There are already 25 million who think nearly the same as we do.

I am not an enemy of the government I am amicus curie,  we need guv, we just need it to be a bit more dejure.  the rogue's are holding the guv at gun point just like the are holding th epeople at gun point.  They are cheating the dejure guv and us and have waged a huge propaganda war war against us and have become very naughty and some of them need a good spanking that they will never get with a population that has their heads up their asses.  bottom line they have much bigger fish to fry then I.

you will notice that anyone who fucks with the monetary system meaning removes money from their pockets is dead.  its a long tradition.  Christ kicked them out of temple and he is dead, they missed jackson, they got lincoln, kennedy all dead and a host of other presidents that lets say died of complications.

Its no different than the opium wars when england forced china to let them sell opium and addict the chinese.

its all rooted in the monetary system and control of it.  Its all fraud and those who expose it in a manner that they lose shit loads of money will go down.

so what do I have to worry about? 

Like you said I have no crediblity anyway!




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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 5:56:27 AM   
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I believe T is quite correct RO; you do not appear to have learned the first lesson of dealing as an adult with grown up things - that is to say what you mean to say, not because its clever or cool to say but because it serves your purpose, which you rarely state or even allude to, and otherwise to say nothing. This is a difficult skill to learn and to practise, requiring not only intelligence but also a keen understanding of human nature and a degree of skill as an actor.

Of course this requires a degree of dishonesty one might say, but in truth it is only the sort of method employed by any good poker player; the rules still apply to the game after all. And of course it can be employed for dishonest and subversive as well as honest and noble ends but again the rules of the game still apply and one can be as clever as one likes and can manage, and fraud is still fraud (but only of course on conviction - which is all the more likely if you dont understand when to speak, what to say when you do and when to shut up).

I find there are two ways to practise it. The first is suited to those in politics and the professions whereby one must play the part of one so knowledgeable that one's words appear tempered by one's position. This works for those in such positions because of the implicit trust others have in them but presents the challenge of having to maintain that trust in the long term and not getting caught out when one audience finds out what the other audience was told. If it can be pulled off over a long period though, this method offers enormous rewards.

The second is suited to the rest of us for the most part and is the one I practise for the most part because it suits my purposes very well - that is to present and come across as a bit of a buffoon; the audience is lulled into a false sense of superiority and yet is irrevocably led by their own stupidity or greed to where I want them, where a coup de grace can be elegantly delivered and they never knew what happened. On this count I will admit I may have misjudged you because so far you have dodged enough not to be led to such an end, but understanding what may be going on and being able to employ the same method competently yourself are not the same thing.

The second lesson you have not yet learned as it would appear is that others employ such methods often, and that it is vital to assume they are far cleverer than you think they are and to measure your employment of such methods accordingly. However clever we may think we are, there are at least several million alive now who are cleverer than we are. One must weigh up one's opponent - which is why acting the buffoon works well - if they see through it then one is dealing with a worthy opponent one must assume. One must raise one's bluff to the next level and see if they follow - sooner or later it will become clear what one is dealing with and act accordingly - proceeding or breaking off the engagement (because its vital to pick your battles and not be manipulated yourself into battle when and where you dont want to).

And overall one must apply reason and clear thinking. I'm afraid you fail repeatedly in this area. If you cannot answer a simple question as to how long Obama will be 44th President, this is demonstrated clearly, let alone by the fragmentary and misunderstood elements of law you continue to present. Now it could be that you are adopting the buffoon methodology, but I seriously doubt it, and if you were you would not be doing so at all competently for you are leading no one to anywhere except disbelief at you - if that is your unstated end then well done, but I doubt it is.

It is your apparent failures in all these areas that will lead you to crash and burn in all this; "the government" wont need to come get you or "deal" with you, for you will deliver yourself up into their hands sooner or later. And dont for goodness' sake think that anyone will be coming to the rescue of the thousands or millions of others like you unless they truly are stupid and wish to deliver themselves up too.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 6:12:35 AM   
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If you really cared to find the truth, you would find the whole thing that created this was an admitted mistake by a reporter.  He listed the wrong hospital in his article (even though later corrected, no one cares) hence all the BS rumors about this.

So even though the State of Hawaii has resolved the issue, gop die hard's still dig, funny though, John McCain has no US birth cert but no one follows that story.   Or what about Jendal, he is not using his birth name "Bobby" is not on his birth certificate, hell if Jendal went to AZ he could be deported as his papers have no mention of "bobby"


If you really cared about the truth, you would admit the whole thing that created this was Obama's campaign web-site stating his father was a British subject when he (Obama) was born. Then, when questions arose about his eligibility, rather than authorize the Hawaii Department of Health to provide proof of his eligibility to the general public and/or Civil Courts, Obama has done everything possible to keep his birth records secret...hence all the questions and rumors.



Several months before Obama's eligibilty became an issue, John McCain provided a "Certified Copy" of not only his short-form birth certificate but also his long-form birth certificate to a Civil Court in CA and CT. McCain subsequently provided same to the Senate committee which, after reviewing same et al official documents pertaining to McCain's eligibilty, issued a resolution declaring him a "natural born citizen" and eligible to serve as POTUS per the U.S. Constitution. Although a different Senate committee subsequently found Obama as having been born in Hawaii it neither declared him a "natural born citizen" or eligible to serve as POTUS per the U.S. Constitution. Jendal has no bearing on this issue at all.

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 6:29:09 AM   
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Nope. Neither would a Physician based soley upon his notes.

An admission record is just that, a record of admissions. No one would dispute a hospitals admission secretary without proof to the contrary.

The record would not be contestable if all the requirements are met. In order for those notes, the L&D notes of live birth, to be contested, it would have to be proven that on August 4, 1961, the full nursing staffon duty at the time and those nurses who followed until discharge of the baby, were conspiring with each other to commit an act of medical fraud. At which time, it would also have to be proven that insurance fraud was committed, if insurance payments were accepted. Also that the hospital medical records and admission department also committed and were in conspiracy with the nursing staff to committ major medical fraud.

The L&D log of live births is just another in a paper trail. Yet, so tightly is it constructed that fraud, especially years and years later, is impossible.


well they would have to have all the scheduling records etc and that would support your log prima facia, I agree. I could see that in and of itself holding up as long as there was not a preponderance of evidence on the other side.

Now in barrys case its not all that simple but he cannot seem to come up with anything but guv records but nothing to support the creation of the guv records.  Only the rest of america has those requirements if its challenged.


Well stated, RealOne. Actually, the only "gov record" Barry has provided "We the people..." is that Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" of his which, unless someone can prove otherwise, no Hawaiian gov official has publically declared to be real. However, even if it is real, that still leaves the fact that the Department of Hawaii Home Lands" ("DHHL") would not accept it as prima-facie evidence of Obama being a native born Hawaiian...at least not until mid-August 2009 when it updated it's web-site. I wonder why, after more than four decades, DHHL suddenly felt the need to do that? LOL

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 6:42:15 AM   
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I went recently to get my PA ID. Lost my Ohio one, so had to use the long route. They required the same form Obama has on line... the short form of my birth certificate and my social security card, along with some type of mail with my current address.

As far as i can tell, this is the same requirement for almost every state. Why is this not good enough for Obama's proof if its good enough to prove who i am?


Why not? How about because the requirement to drive a car is not quite the same as the requirement to be POTUS? How about because the form Obama has on line...the short form of his birth certificate...would not be good enough for the Department of Hawaii Home Lands to prove he is a native born Hawaiian? How about the fact that adding his social security card, alnog with some type of mail with his current address, still wouldn't be good enough?

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RE: Guilty Verdict in Obama Trial - 5/23/2010 6:49:04 AM   
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Trust and honor.

How many of our elected officials do we require that much documentation from?


Only one, as far as I know. But everyone whose duty it is to protect that one elected official is required to provide that much documentation and more, as did those pre-selected students of the high school Obama recently visited.

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