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Do you fucking seriously believe Obama was not born in Hawaii?

Where do you think he was born? Kenya? You think his American mother is going to leave her home country to go give birth in fucking Africa? Then come back?

Was she like the Angelina Jolie prototype or do they just have better hospitals in Kenya?

unlike you I dont know because you like so many others apparently dont give a rat ass if he is or not.  One needs to understand consequences and why certain laws exist to desire to want a full TIMELY investigation.

Thats ok though you have a right to support government fraud as much as we have the right to fight it.

I have a need to know and they are in breach of trust and the thugs are protecting him from the requirement of bringing forth the information to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he is who he claims.

What I think does not matter, what the facts are does matter and at this point we have no facts.  Except that you seem to support the thug side of the equation.

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A question for the brighter Obama critics here - how long will Obama be the 44th President of the USA?

E

Until 01/20/2012, unless of course some one/entity with the wherewithal has the integrity to make him prove he is eligible. Note that the Department of Hawaii Home Lands didn't accept a Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" as prima-facie evidence of birth in Hawaii...at least it didn't until mid-2009 when it updated it's web-site...and it still requires both parents birth certificates et al documentation in addition to a "Certification of Live Birth".

Are you sure? You dont want to phone a friend?

January 20th 2012 - final answer?

Obama will no longer be the 44th President from that day?

Are you sure?

............we'll be right back, after this commercial break.

E

The election will be held in 2012 (Tuesday after the first Monday of November), he will be president until January 20, 2013 ( Inauguration Day).  Is that what you are looking for? 

I will add that the period of time between election and inauguration is considered a "lame duck" time.  Also people tend to think of the new presidency as happening once all of the election results are in (and sometimes before that.)  So it is understandable where the 2012 timetable comes in.  After all, we do not need the pony express to bring us the news anymore, which is why there was a nearly 3 month wait between the election and inauguration in the first place.  (That and the whole electoral college thing.)

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This whole thread should be deleted. Not locked, but completely fucking erased. It is beneath me or anyone I would welcome into my home or organisation. This is so fucking stupid it reeks.

I MEAN DELETED, and never ever allowed to happen again. Youse people have not the ability to debate such issues logically and I consider this thread to be a fucking embarrassment to CM, and to me.

Now how's that for the truth ?

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Actually, the only "gov record" Barry has provided "We the people..." is that Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" of his which, unless someone can prove otherwise, no Hawaiian gov official has publically declared to be real.

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The DHHL is concerned with the interests of native born Hawaiians.

Are we now saying that as well as being of African and European descent, Obama is also required to or has claimed to be descended from a pre-1778 Hawaiian bloodline?

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Actually, the only "gov record" Barry has provided "We the people..." is that Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" of his which, unless someone can prove otherwise, no Hawaiian gov official has publically declared to be real.

The problem here is you're full of shit and not bright enough to recognize that on your own.

Allow me to help:

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."


.....Birthers denounce the notion that Obama was born in Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, despite court rulings and statements by Fukino and Hawaii's Republican governor, Linda Lingle.



PolitiFact | Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A

snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate 

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Simply incredible Jim

As a sadist its my decision when to end the suffering I always think. Whilst normally I might let you stew a little longer, its likely I may be called away so here's the answer.

Q: How long will Obama be the 44th President?

A; Forever

I expect that troubles you greatly and if not for the next part you might be on the way to DC with your posse in short order, convinced this means he intends to make himself president for life.

He will be 44th President forever for one simple reason - that the next President will be the 45th.

Now if you couldnt figure that out, how do you intend on figuring out much more complex material requisite to your purposes?

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A "native born Hawaiian" Jim, is one who can establish a native bloodline going back pre-1778 (this is on the DHHL website under eligibility requirement for their programmes) - ie someone descended from the Pacific Islanders who got to Hawaii some centuries before Europeans did.

I find it very unlikely that Obama has an ounce of Pacific Islander in him and I expect the DHHL feels the same.

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The fact that SR225 doesn't proclaim Obama the son of two U.S. citizens but SR511 does proclaim McCain the son of two U.S. citizens, means that the U.S. Congress held Obama to a lower standard than McCain. Why the double-standard? The fact that four legacy SCOTUS rulings have been based in part on "natural born citizen" meaning born it the country to citizen parents (plural) means being born in Hawaii is not enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen. Finally, there's the fact that Obama's Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" wouldn't be enough to satisfy the Department of Hawaii Home Lands that he was a natural born citizen of Hawaii.

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No Jim

Its obvious that you are unable to identify relevant information and process it in order to reach a supportable conclusion.

There was no obfuscation - the information you needed was right before you - your problem appears to have been (and you were by no means alone in this) that you failed to extract the relevant parts of the question and consider them - if you had then the answer was obvious - instead you took the question to be what you preferred it should be according to your preconceptions.

This appears to be the methodology behind all of these conspiracies and confabulations we get here every day; a preferred conclusion is reached on the basis of desired information to that end, and from that point on no contrary information is considered but rather attention is focussed on gathering more desired information and fashioning it into a web of self deceit.

All this said, there are big things - conspiracies even - going on right now that your zealous attention might be better directed towards than this nonsense about Obama. As a cynic, one might even imagine all this nonsense is designed to divert you from the more serious things going on. But either way Jim, you are going to have to up your game considerably.

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The fact that SR225 doesn't proclaim Obama the son of two U.S. citizens but SR511 does proclaim McCain the son of two U.S. citizens, means that the U.S. Congress held Obama to a lower standard than McCain. Why the double-standard? The fact that four legacy SCOTUS rulings have been based in part on "natural born citizen" meaning born it the country to citizen parents (plural) means being born in Hawaii is not enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen. Finally, there's the fact that Obama's Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" wouldn't be enough to satisfy the Department of Hawaii Home Lands that he was a natural born citizen of Hawaii.

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LOL

Im a labor and delivery nurse. I do believe i would know what is legal evidence in this country for birth aand what isnt.

you talking about affidavits from 2 witnesses?

arent to many ways you can make a legitimate public record you know.

Since you arent too familiar, allow me to inform.

Nurses notes are just as much part of the medical file as Physician's notes, just as legally binding, and just as legally required.

Each Labor and Delivery unit is required to keep a record of live births. I remember working at Conway Hospital in SC in that L&D unit. Included in its record of live births is a famous game show personality. Included in that record, as in all live birth records kept on the unti, was the name, sex, race, apgar score, medications given during delivery, complications, time admitted to the nursery, pediatrician assigned, and a tiny column left for the baby's legal name before discharge. No lines are allowed to be skipped, no white out may be used. Any errors result in a single line drawn through the entire entry and an immediate correction entry beneath that is made. These are large ledgers and depending on the size of the unit and number of deliveries, they can be used on the unit for years before being completely filled out. At which time they are shelved within the nursery and a new one began.

This record is admissable in courts as proof of a live birth.

Then why hasn't Obama simply authorized the Hawaii Department of Health to make any part of such record available to the general public and put an immediate end to all the speculation?

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It's obvious that you are unable to KISS.

I'm going to have to up my game considerably? Actually, you are going to have to up your elitist game considerably to come anywhere close to Obama's.

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
The fact that SR225 doesn't proclaim Obama the son of two U.S. citizens but SR511 does proclaim McCain the son of two U.S. citizens, means that the U.S. Congress held Obama to a lower standard than McCain. Why the double-standard? The fact that four legacy SCOTUS rulings have been based in part on "natural born citizen" meaning born it the country to citizen parents (plural) means being born in Hawaii is not enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen. Finally, there's the fact that Obama's Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" wouldn't be enough to satisfy the Department of Hawaii Home Lands that he was a natural born citizen of Hawaii.

Why do you continue to lie?
No SCOTUS ruling has ever ruled on what "natural born citizen" means.
His Certificate of Live Birth will satisfy any agency of any US state that he was born in Hawai'i and is therefore a citizen. That's because his Birth Certificate is on the standardized form prefered by the US government.

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It's obvious that you are unable to KISS.

I'm going to have to up my game considerably? Actually, you are going to have to up your elitist game considerably to come anywhere close to Obama's.

No doubt I'd be hard pressed to compete with Obama, more so the devious little scumbags who have surrounded him - but that merely illustrates my point dont you think? If you cant keep up with me, you've got not a hope in hell against them, unless your purpose is to drive yourself to a heart failure or insanity.

KISS - a charter for simpletons in this context it would seem

Seriously Jim, youre out of your league in all this and its even funnier to see you turn up dressed for football when we're in the 2nd inning of a baseball game.

E