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He definitely did not think racism was a factor and he was in a decent position to know. In fact he said any attempt to turn the debate into a question of race didn't go down very well at all with the audience.

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He definitely did not think racism was a factor and he was in a decent position to know. In fact he said any attempt to turn the debate into a question of race didn't go down very well at all with the audience.

In sum, we don’t see evidence of racial motivation in Tea Party support. But the perception is there, particularly among the movement’s opponents, and as such poses a risk to its efforts to expand its appeal.

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Full disclosure of what?

So far he has been accused of hiding everything from his birth to his kindergarten grades.

So why don't you give me some evidence of your assertions.

Provide some proof of the millions you claim he has spent to hide his past.

And you are right, it has been beat to death and consistently proven wrong.

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WELL SAID:  The AllahPundit offered this incomplete taxonomy of birthers and their fellow travelers:

What I will say in the Birthers’ semi-defense is that I think there are actually two camps inside the movement. One is the group that simply wants Obama out of office as soon as possible and has latched onto this thin, exceedingly lame reed as a way of making it happen. The other is a group that’s grown curious about the fact that … no official enforcement mechanism for the Constitution’s natural-born requirement seems to exist, even though it’s a baseline requisite for the presidency.

A commenter provides this supplement:

I would also posit that there are THREE “camps” of thought that get lumped into the “birther” category.The first two are as [AllahPundit] stated.The third is where I would put myself – a person:
1) who wonders why it is so difficult for Obama to provide an actual Birth Certificate; and
2) who sees a connection between the lack of details and secrecy regarding Obama’s birth and the lack of details and secrecy about so much else of Obama’s life – his connections to Ayers, his grades in college, the papers he published, the lectures he taught, etc.
I don’t think Obama was born in Kenya or any other place other than Hawaii.But I find it outrageous and ridiculous that we know more about Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber than we know about Obama. 
source material

I agree with the above sentiment in bold, it's just a shame so many Americans have taken this guy at face value, without any serious vetting.

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He definitely did not think racism was a factor and he was in a decent position to know. In fact he said any attempt to turn the debate into a question of race didn't go down very well at all with the audience.

Not surprising.  It's been interesting to see the left crying racism at every turn.  They seem to think anyone criticizing a black man, must be criticizing because he is black.  They don't seem to cotton-on to the notion that the fact he is black is incidental and irrelevant. 

That, and some (like DomKen) think that because the majority of attendees at Tea Party gatherings are white, they must be racist.  They just don't seem to have the capacity to understand the racial makeup of the United States is more or less around 80% white (according to the 2000 Census).

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He definitely did not think racism was a factor and he was in a decent position to know. In fact he said any attempt to turn the debate into a question of race didn't go down very well at all with the audience.

Because it is not an overt racism.  That is frowned upon.  So it has been made politically correct by claiming it is not racism and by the racists making allegations of reverse racism.

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To deny that race is a factor is either being purposely dishonest or allowing yourself to be deluded.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Full disclosure of what?

So far he has been accused of hiding everything from his birth to his kindergarten grades.

So why don't you give me some evidence of your assertions.

Provide some proof of the millions you claim he has spent to hide his past.

And you are right, it has been beat to death and consistently proven wrong.

Once again *sigh* it's like explaining things to a 3 year old.

A certificate of live birth is NOT a birth certificate, that phony document Obama submitted doesn't list a hospital where he was born, the delivery doctor, or other items a real birth certificate lists, and seeing how Obama's grand parents lived in Hawaii, I really can see why the local newspaper would announce the birth of their grandson, that's what local newspapers do.

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To deny that race is a factor is either being purposely dishonest or allowing yourself to be deluded.

According to what credible authority?

To deny that racism exists anywhere would be a delusion.  I'm sure there are people who support the Tea Party who are racist.  I am sure there are registered Democrats who are racist.  Just as I am sure there are racists among every political persuasion.

Do we concede that because there may be racists among every possible organization or association that the views of those racists are supported throughout?  [8|]

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Once again *sigh* it's like explaining things to a 3 year old.

A certificate of live birth is NOT a birth certificate,

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Hawaiian birth certificate circa 1963

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Pahunk, did you have enough leftover foil to make Sanity a hat too?

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That, and some (like DomKen) think that because the majority of attendees at Tea Party gatherings are white, they must be racist.  They just don't seem to have the capacity to understand the racial makeup of the United States is more or less around 80% white (according to the 2000 Census).  While they have been given evidence that the racial makeup of supporters of the Tea Party are pretty much in line with the makeup of the US as a whole, they are blind to it because it doesn't support their cause which is to discredit the Tea Party.

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To deny that race is a factor is either being purposely dishonest or allowing yourself to be deluded.

According to what credible authority?

To deny that racism exists anywhere would be a delusion.  I'm sure there are people who support the Tea Party who are racist.  I am sure there are registered Democrats who are racist.  Just as I am sure there are racists among every political persuasion.

Do we concede that because there may be racists among every possible organization or association that the views of those racists are supported throughout?  [8|]

The credible authority is listening to the teabaggers and watching their signs at their rallies.

I don't deny there are those in the tea party who are not racist and those outside of it who are.

But you are denying that this has become a focal point for those who are racist.

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Oh please. Stop this stupidity already. I grew up in the old South, within walking distance of Stone Mountain back when they held Klan rallies there. Many of my relatives are racists and I've been around as long as I can remember. I know the code words racists use to hide in plain sight. I know what 14 words means. I know what 88 symbolizes.

A significant plurality, majority IMO, of the attendees of tea party events I've been at in person, both in Chicago and in Alabama, as well as those I've seen on TV are racists. Claiming otherwise is to deny the evidence plain before your face.

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Are you dense?

I asked what credible authority established that to deny that race is a factor is either being purposely dishonest or allowing yourself to be deluded.

And just because some very few individuals, who might have a narrow-minded and disagreeable opinion of race, otherwise identify with the broad sentiments of the Tea Party, that does not mean that everyone else who supports the Tea Party is supporting those few individuals' personal biases.

The only ones making it a focal point are the anti-Tea Party idiots who keep saying it is a focal point.

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Hell we had a Chinese woman as Head of State, and now have a Haitian woman as such....

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Are you dense?

I asked what credible authority established that to deny that race is a factor is either being purposely dishonest or allowing yourself to be deluded.

And just because some very few individuals, who might have a narrow-minded and disagreeable opinion of race, otherwise identify with the broad sentiments of the Tea Party, that does not mean that everyone else who supports the Tea Party is supporting those few individuals' personal biases.

The only ones making it a focal point are the anti-Tea Party idiots who keep saying it is a focal point.