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Termyn8or -> RE: Quote of the Week (5/23/2010 11:04:47 PM)
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Fact is though, anybody with a half a brain who is in business would not limit their possible scope of clientele in such an arbitrary manner, racist or not. But that is still not the whole point. If the management of a business would actually be that stupid, what of their hiring practices ? I mean if, for example you are not going to let Black people patronize your establishment it would be quite the foregone conclusion that you would similarly discriminate in hiring practices, would it not ?
Now we have a societal impact, something tangible. "Only White folk is allowed at that bar, but I works there", that may have flew down in the old south, but how does it sound today ? So in reality, even if they hire Blacks to work at an all White club for example, do you think that Black is going to get similar pay, treatment and opportunity for advancement ? Doubtfull at best.
This is even thicker : the civil rights act also covers gender correct ? Well how would Men react to male Playboy bunnies, or waitresses at Hooters ? And there are things that have not even been brought to the table as of yet. What about a restaurant hiring only good looking waitresses ? Have a look at TV. How about Univision. It seems they want you to think there are no Hispanics with brown skin. What is on their job applications ?
This is a huge can of worms and anyone can get tripped up on it. Right now Rand is still young, and he clearly did not think very well on his feet. If they asked me about this shit I would just say "It's the law, what of it ? ". The fact that he fell into this has cost him my confidence actually, but not because of his standpoint. His standpoint should not even be known on this matter.
I'll admit that in the past some things I've done were racist or bigoted (don't start Ken, for I'll surely have your head). I have changed. But even then I was not stupid. When you are in business the only color that matters is green.
When I was in business, and actually too young for it, I knew this. I hired a Black guy for a technical position. He was qualified and his pay demands were within what I had budgeted for (for anyone) so he got the job. He was productive and competent, and punctual enough for my standards so things went well for a time.
We eventually got friendly and would hit the bars from time to time. We get to this one bar and he says "I been told about this bar, I dunno". I asked what he meant and that was he had heard the Blacks were not welcome there, with my hubris I said "Fukum, my money spends anywhere". "OK then".
Well IIRC this was a Saturday night so we closed the place, but had a surprise in the parking lot. We both got our asses kicked and I got shot in the face because I was a "Nigger lover". That is attempted murder folks and all over this ? This is all true. We were both injured very badly and really, if there had been a sign up the said "Whites Only", perhaps we would've just moved on, or if a bouncer would have asked him to leave we would leave. I would not sit in there leaving him standing outside of course, we would just move on. Actually mea culpa because this whole night of bar hopping was by my invite. But I obviously had no idea anything like this was going to happen.
Hindsight being 20/20, I should've taken him to places I know (except Felice's, you never take ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE to Felice's), and at least this would've never happened. Quickly to surmise, I was full of pith and vinegar, I was of the attitude that I go wherever I fucking want. You are with me. From his point of view he was having a couple of beers with the boss (that was me).
So where does that bring us on this issue, morally and ethically ?
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