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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 6:31:36 AM   
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So what according to you is the source of desire?


Ego.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 6:58:07 AM   
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Thank you for your insight.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 7:04:39 AM   
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Consider the list i posted.... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3216492

It doesnt surprise me that you and heartcream refuse to address any of these issues, Rule.


Oh tazzy you dont know me well enough for me to surpirse you are not. All your so-called reasons and aruguments pro-cut are crap in my opinion that is why I didnt address it. It is all crap. Crap, crap crap.

Where is your heart?

Do not bring knives to newborns.

Plus you dont know me. Two points.

Main one, dont cut the wee children upon entry to the world for all the fukuta reasons you would like to cut children, no matter what it-- equals barbaric dark detrimental, almost irrepairable cruel practices.

Two you dont know me.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 7:11:33 AM   
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Sure.. no knives. You truly have no clue what goes on in a new born nursery, else you wouldnt make such a statement. Shall we talk about the barbaric cutting of the cord? Shall we discuss the heel cut to obtain a blood sample? Never seen an interosseous stick? That list of "crap" as you call it was written by a London Urologist. Someone who would know a hell of alot more about cock problems than even you.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 7:18:36 AM   
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You are welcome.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 7:31:53 AM   
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Consider the list i posted.... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3216492

It doesnt surprise me that you and heartcream refuse to address any of these issues, Rule.


Ah, tazzygirl has been speaking to me, I see. I am mostly unaware of her posts, as for some quirk of the CM pages I for some months now never see her posts unless someone quotes them. Weird, huh?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 7:34:57 AM   
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~chuckles

I would expect a supergenius to be honest.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 8:32:00 AM   
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Phimosis probably affects about one in twenty uncircumcised men. It is characterised by a tight band of inelastic skin at the tip of the foreskin. This may vary from slight difficulty in moving the foreskin over the erect glans penis to a pinhole opening which will not allow free urine passage. Balanitis Xerotica Obliterans (BXO) or Lichen Sclerosus et Atrophicus (LSA) are progressively more common causes of phimosis as a man gets older, but in children and young adults there is frequently no major scarring of the prepuce.

In men and boys with a tight foreskin, either a course of treatment with a mild topical steroid (combined with gentle gradual stretching at home), or a stretch under general anaesthetic (with division of the preputial adhesions) will usually suffice. In refractory cases a preputial plasty may be needed, or a circumcision if preferred. In adults, while preputial plasty will give satisfactory results in most cases with no scarring there seems to be a high recurrence rate if this is done in the presence of BXO, so circumcision is usually preferred.

For the infirm, a more radical version of the same procedure is a dorsal slit which, while simple and effective, does not give a very good cosmetic appearance.


I quote from wikipedia:
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The etiology of BXO is uncertain. However, some possibilities have been suggested.

Some studies have shown that patients with BXO also show signs of suffering from autoimmune disorders.[12][13][14] However, this finding is not repeated in every study.[13]

Infection from "human papilloma virus (serotype 16 in particular), spirochetes and atypical mycobacteria" has also been suggested as a cause.[5] Additional suggestions include "pemphigus vulgaris and chronic nonspecific bacterial balanitis".

My conclusion is that someone has touched the penis of these people and transferred some disease agent to the penis, causing the BXO. Normal people ought to NEVER touch the penis of their progeny.

As for adults that acquire this medical problem, they somehow also came into contact with these disease agents, whether sexually transmitted or not. To me it is obvious that the Divine facilitates their medical problem and that they ought to be either dead or stop reproducing.

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Most of the discomfort men have appears to be linked to night time erections (a healthy man will have a number of spontaneous erections during REM sleep) which may leave the confused patient waking up with a sore penis in the middle of the night.


Yeah, well problems are what you get when an essential organ like the foreskin or like a brain is cut away. Fortunately we may hope that people who circumcise are brainless already. If not, their brain clearly is malfunctioning and they ought not to reproduce in order to prevent the allele that codes for this malfunction from spreading further into the gene pool.

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Short Frenulum

Another common reason for men being circumcised is due to tightness or scarring of the frenulum (the short bridge of skin under the urethral meatus. This may be torn or stretched during sex and may bleed profusely from the small frenular artery. It is simply fixed by a small plastic surgical procedure (a frenuloplasty) under local anaesthesia with excellent results.


What a sob story. I know someone who had his frenulum cut for being too short. There is no need at all to circumcise because of a short frenulum.

In fact this may be one of the many deleterious inherited defects prevalent in populations that circumcise their males. I recommend that females be adulterous when they are in a relationship with such a male or one who has been circumcised and that they get themselves fertilized by males with a normal and fully functional penis, including a normal frenulum.

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Paraphimosis

This occurs when a tight foreskin is stuck in retraction behind the glans and acts as a tourniquet. Early reduction, either manually or by a dorsal slit procedure, is essential to avoid venous gangrene. Most men will require circumcision after the swelling has settled, as the foreskin is often left scarred.


This only occurs, I presume, in children that have stupid and ignorant parents that pull back their foreskin or in pubescent boys that have their first erection early in puberty. In children it is easily prevented by following this simple rule: NEVER touch the penis of your son.
In boys in early puberty the foreskin may still be in the tight infant condition. In that case the solution is to immediately return the foreskin to its natural place and in subsequent days with the penis in flaccid condition to pull the foreskin back and immediately return it to its normal place in order to stretch the skin. As the boy matures, the foreskin will assume its adult form.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 8:35:44 AM   
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Mine is a little tight there at the turtleneck, and tears easily when I am ramrodding the shit outta a whore.

I think the biggest reason for it, is when you are 8 days old and they clip you, they have no idea exactly how big your peener is gonna be eventually.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 8:37:11 AM   
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And how, exactly, do you clean the poop from an infants penis if you dont touch it?

No offence to your self-diagnosed supergenius status, but most parents like me listen to people who are authorities on such topics.

Btw, do you have any children?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:09:33 AM   
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Fortunately we may hope that people who circumcise are brainless already. If not, their brain clearly is malfunctioning and they ought not to reproduce in order to prevent the allele that codes for this malfunction from spreading further into the gene pool.



I do not know what to think of your words. I seem brainless to you? I should not have reproduced?

If your theory were accurate, I think I would not have seen the city, or that my youngest (uncircumcised) son, would have been the one that had seen it with me, instead of my oldest (circumcised) son; but then, both of their fathers are also circumcised.

When one loses his head, as humanity has, I would think lack of foreskin to be the least of his problems.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:28:20 AM   
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Skin conditions affecting the penis
Meatal strictures

Most strictures of the external urethral meatus are associated with BXO or LSA, although in children they may be caused by inexpert circumcision (possibly due to damage to the frenular artery). In adults urethral instrumentation or catheter trauma may be the cause. Patients will present with classical symptoms of bladder outflow obstruction and possible penile pain if there is infection.

Simple dilatation, while widely practiced, has a high recurrence rate unless the patient is prepared to take up regular self dilatation. Where BXO is present the recurrence rate with standard reconstruction is very high and insertion of a patch of buccal mucosa will give the best long term results, although often at the cost of a relatively complex two stage procedure.

This problem occurs because the penis has been touched, as evidenced by the BXO, by the "inexpert circumcision", and by "urethral instrumentation or catheter trauma".
It can be easily prevented by this simple rule: NEVER touch the penis.

As for adults that get this symptom: they probably got it form some sexually transmitted disease, facilitated by the Divine as a consequence of their own stupidity or lust and they should pay the price for their sin: die or stop reproducing if cured.

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Small penis

It is relatively common to see men who are unhappy with their penile length: sadly many of these men only come to see specialists after having been though unscrupulous clinics who charge much but deliver only scarring. IN fact the majority of patients requesting penile enhancement surgery, as show in research by our group, have penile dimensions within the normal range.

Penile enhancement surgery should still be viewed as experimental and while it is possible to give the impression of a slightly longer or thicker flaccid penis, the surgery may well leave the penis looking severely misshapen if done badly. There is no proven technique to increase the size of the erect organ, and those techniques which are available have significant risks of post operative erectile failure.

The desire to have a longer penis appears to be a variant of dysmorphophobia and patients should not be invited to undergo surgery without being seen by an experienced psychosexual expert first.


Penis size varies within populations and between populations. So what? In some populations and environments there will be an evolutionary advantage to having a certain sized and shaped penis, in others there will be an evolutionary advantage to having a penis of another size and shape. Be satisfied with the equipment that your population and the Divine has bequeathed you with.

I imagine, though, that for lack of a foreskin a circumcised penis cannot attain its normal erect length. If so, then that is too bad...

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Peyronie’s disease

Since the erection bodies of the penis stretch to a pre-defined length during erection, a shortening of one side will result in a bend to that side (This can be demonstrated by taping a piece of sellotape onto the side of a long balloon then blowing it up). Peyronie’s disease is a condition where a fibrous plaque affects the fibrous covering of the penis in such a way; congenital curvature can cause the penis to bend. Generally speaking, a gentle bend of up to 25 degrees will often not cause too many problems, and indeed most men do have a penis which bends a little bit.

In the early stages of Peyronie’s disease pain is often a problem, due to an active inflammation in the affected area.

Initial treatment in the painful phase of the disease is controversial, with few properly conducted studies showing a benefit of any treatment over simple rest. There appears to be a place for anti-oxidant vitamin therapy and I usually advise a three month initial course of high dose anti-oxidants which may help by reducing free radicals in the developing scar tissue. Intercourse should be avoided if pain is a major feature, and if a man continues to have sex then extra lubrication is helpful to reduce the risk of further stressing the erection. Tamoxifen in conjunction with a course of anti-inflammatory medicine may help more persistent cases.

The commonest and simplest operation is a procedure called the Nesbit’s operation. This involves reducing the length of the normal side of the penis to straighten it. While this procedure causes a small amount of penile shortening and leaves the affected area in place, few men find they are bothered by the residual scar tissue if the penis is straight in erection.

If there is a major bend, a persistent painful plaque, or the penis is short, a Nesbit’s procedure may not give a good result. It may then be necessary to consider removing the plaque and putting in a replacement tissue such as vein or dermis. Although this option preserves penile length it is considerably more complex than the simple Nesbit’s procedure.


According to SirPumpy such bend and contorted penises are typical for circumcised penises in erection. I already discussed the cause in my reply to him. It is easily prevented: by not being so stupid as to circumcise the penis of your child. Or in other words: NEVER touch the penis of your child. (Circumcision equals touching.)

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Penile carcinoma

Penile cancers are rare and associated with poor hygiene, uncircumcised men and some pre-malignant skin conditions.

Nearly always the lesion starts as an ulcer on the glans or foreskin, and spreads to the penile bodies and then the inguinal lymph nodes. If the disease is caught at an early stage surgery is curative and it may be possible to practice conservative techniques to allow continued potency. If the disease is advanced however partial or total penectomy is required, although radiotherapy may be an option. Early regional lymphadenectomy, while associated with significant morbidity, appears to offer a survival benefit in patients with poor prognosis tumours or low volume lymph node disease.


Yeah, well, if you got penile cancer, then it probably was caused by a sexually transmitted disease and you ought to die or if cured stop reproducing. It is good that the foreskin in this way blesses us by removing sinners from the population. Be proud that you contribute to the health and prosperity of your gene pool and population by dying. Praise be for the pagan god who blessed us with sexually transmitted diseases and penile cancers.

I call on all fertile females that are in a relationship with a circumcised male to avoid getting impregnated by him as he most likely has been circumcised because of some inherited genetic deficiency and instead to be circumspectly adulterous and to get themselves fertilized by males with a normal penis.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:30:05 AM   
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regardless of how fucked up they are, thus leading their progeny into the darkness and insanity?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:36:09 AM   
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have these been touched?




dammit, I can only upload one

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:36:45 AM   
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According to SirPumpy


Yeah, im quite sure his story about the prostitutes is accurate, medically sound and factual. No doubt these men they "saw" were just so forthcoming as to their experiences while trying to talk the woman into getting them off. Sorry, i prefer science over porn.

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As for adults that get this symptom: they probably got it form some sexually transmitted disease, facilitated by the Divine as a consequence of their own stupidity or lust and they should pay the price for their sin: die or stop reproducing if cured.


Again, very scientific analogy (not). You have no data to back up your assertion. I would expect a supergenious to use a better phrasing than... probably...

As hard as you may wish to dismiss the above, you have not shown any evidence to the contrary. To call people like kim and myself "brainless" because we sought medical advice, took such advice and did our own research, and made the best decisions for our children, is a bit self-serving.

I asked you a question...

Do you have children?



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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:49:17 AM   
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I do not know what to think of your words. I seem brainless to you? I should not have reproduced?

To circumcise is to damage what the Creator has bequeathed, Kim. It is a sin against the Creator and anybody who circumcises or who is circumcised ought to admit their sin, to repent and to determine that the practice must stop, for only in that way can they redeem themselves.

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If your theory were accurate, I think I would not have seen the city, or that my youngest (uncircumcised) son, would have been the one that had seen it with me, instead of my oldest (circumcised) son; but then, both of their fathers are also circumcised.

The one thing has nothing to do with the other, Kim. The Divine does not voluntarily intervene in our lives; it only acts on our requests, facilitating our desires. You are extraordinary and therefore the Divine gave you a glimpse of reality as it is not known by most people.

One day long ago a pagan god communicated his desire to the Divine and ever since humanity has been blessed with the consequences of sexually transmitted diseases - which must have surprised that pagan god himself, as the Divine responds to our desires in unexpected and mysterious ways. Ever since the Divine has been facilitating his wish, long after the pagan god himself died, and it will do so for all eternity or until the programming by the pagan god has been diluted to nearly nothing. The Divine has no intent.

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When one loses his head, as humanity has, I would think lack of foreskin to be the least of his problems.

On the contrary: populations that circumcise their males appear to evolve a lack of conscience - and thus cause themselves to lose their "head". And having no "head" they have a hard time recognizing one.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:50:30 AM   
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That's just fuckin stooooooooooooooooooooooopid.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 9:57:58 AM   
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One of my former friends has no conscience at all. I have often observed that when I told him something sensible, it passed by him unrecognized. He was and is completely blind to any rational argument.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 10:00:02 AM   
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well, you should say something sensible here then, cuz I havent seen any logical reasoning from you.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 10:10:23 AM   
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Interesting, isn't it?

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