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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 10:10:47 AM   
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To circumcise is to damage what the Creator has bequeathed, Kim. It is a sin against the Creator and anybody who circumcises or who is circumcised ought to admit their sin, to repent and to determine that the practice must stop, for only in that way can they redeem themselves.






So ... Rule, you don't cut your toenails , fingernails or hair? After all, that is damaging what the creator gave you.
For that matter, if you develope appendicitis, by your rules (pun intended) you wouldn't go to a doctor - because the creator gave you the inflammed appendix, and to remove it would be against his plan.

or is your fixation only on the penis - which would bring a whole new set of questions up.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 10:15:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't believe you had that conversation with your dad, how could you possibly have expected it to go any way but badly? Don't get mad at me for that it's your own fault.

I became aware of this practice when it made the news in 2005:


"THE CITY OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND MENTAL HYGIENE
Michael R. Bloomberg
Thomas R. Frieden, M.D., M.P.H.
Mayor
Commissioner
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nyc.gov/health

December 13, 2005
An Open Letter to the Jewish Community from the New York City Health Commissioner
You may have heard about the Health Department’s recent investigation of several cases of
herpes in infants. I am writing to present information on what we currently know, to clear up
misinformation, and to make clear that in the Department’s view there is no reasonable doubt
that the practice of metzitzah b’peh (“suction by mouth”) has infected several infants in New
York City with the herpes virus, including one child who died and another who has evidence of
brain damage.
As you may know, metzitzah b’peh is performed by some mohelim (religious circumcisers) as
part of the circumcision. After removing the foreskin, the mohel places his mouth on the baby’s
cut to draw away the blood. Because oral herpes is common (most adults have it), and because it
is spread by infected saliva through breaks or cuts in the skin, metzitzah b’peh can directly
expose circumcised infants to the herpes virus. Since newborns have immature immune systems,
neonatal herpes poses grave risks.
To inform parents about this public health issue, we have developed a fact sheet. It is available
online in English http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/std/std-bris.shtml and a copy is enclosed
with this letter. It will soon be available through 311 in English, Hebrew and Yiddish, and will
be distributed to parents of newborns through hospitals and others." http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/std/std-bris-commishletter.pdf

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 10:21:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rule, have you ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 10:59:26 AM   
Rule


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Rule, have you ever been diagnosed with a mental disorder?

No. I could not convince the psychiatrist that I consulted that I was crazy.

Being a supergenius, my craziness consists of extreme rationality. From my perspective, ordinary humans are deficient in rationality, some more than others.

Various people know me to be crazy, though. Apparently they though lay people know more about psychology than the psychiatrist that I consulted.

I once met a British author who after talking no more than a couple of minutes with me, concluded that I am crazy. He recognized them immediately, he claimed. I admired him for this rare talent.

Hey! I thought that you had my posts hidden!

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 11:00:52 AM   
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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 11:03:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

To circumcise is to damage what the Creator has bequeathed, Kim. It is a sin against the Creator and anybody who circumcises or who is circumcised ought to admit their sin, to repent and to determine that the practice must stop, for only in that way can they redeem themselves.



My understanding is that the creator is ‘The Magician’; king of the dead, he who makes things that look as though they are alive, but are not actually living.

Is that inaccurate?

It seems you are claiming I should apologize for being born ignorant; human. Why should I apologize for being as I was created?

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The one thing has nothing to do with the other, Kim. The Divine does not voluntarily intervene in our lives; it only acts on our requests, facilitating our desires. You are extraordinary and therefore the Divine gave you a glimpse of reality as it is not known by most people.


My request had nothing to do with desire. It was a simple request for a sign indicating I was on the right track to finding my purpose, and understanding the nature of ‘The One True God’/Life, and ‘his only begotten son’/Truth.

No personal gain.

Life does not just hand over wishes; he offers opportunity to acquire what is wished for, but never for the sake of personal gain.

The one who grants those kinds of wishes is someone else, and there is a price for that; as with all things.

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The Divine has no intent.


The pupose of Life, is life itself, he will implement whatever means necessary for his continued existance.

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On the contrary: populations that circumcise their males appear to evolve a lack of conscience - and thus cause themselves to lose their "head". And having no "head" they have a hard time recognizing one.


Humanity lost his head in a battle with Ego. I suspect she was given to him by Pride, as his head is where man’s head should be, and he lies in the area where man’s heart should be; his presence has displaced both.

Man had lost his future because of all of that, and then some, but it was secured again by ‘the boy who died as a young man, and later became the king that holds man’s future in his hair; he who crosses paths with the woman who gives birth to man’s future’.

The creator is in the area of man’s future covered by the red dragon. It does not look like a pleasant existence. Not for one such as myself, anyway.

The worst ‘crime’ one of humanity can commit is to not acknowledge that they were born ignorant and to judge others for being same; but it is a crime against self. For in the end, there is only truth to answer to, though he does not judge, but simply cannot deny himself.

Kim


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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 11:11:29 AM   
Rule


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So ... Rule, you don't cut your toenails , fingernails or hair? After all, that is damaging what the creator gave you.

It is called maintenance. These bodyparts are naturally subjected to wear and tear.

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12
For that matter, if you develop appendicitis, by your rules (pun intended) you wouldn't go to a doctor - because the creator gave you the inflamed appendix, and to remove it would be against his plan.

It is an interesting dilemma, isn't it?

The Creator and the Divine are not identical. The first is a pagan god, the latter is 'outside' our universe.

The Divine has facilitated my 'death' in order to grant my BIG wish.

The Divine might facilitate an inflamed appendix simply in order to get someone into a hospital to meet a person on the same ward.

Let me put it this way: I am likely to refuse an organ transplant.

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12
or is your fixation only on the penis - which would bring a whole new set of questions up.

No kiwisub12: my concern is with the health of the gene pools and with the reduction of the frequency of inherited diseases in those gene pools. It just so happens that populations that circumcise their males have a high frequency of such inherited diseases.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 11:16:07 AM   
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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 11:28:07 AM   
DCWoody


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Foreskin.

Circumcision removes the foreskin, the little tube of skin that protects your knob.

Glad to be able to help.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 11:30:13 AM   
Rule


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Circumcision removes the foreskin, the little tube of skin that protects your knob.

The functions of the foreskin organ are not limited only to protecting the glans.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 11:35:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		What other wondrous use does the foreskin possess that couldn't be done as well by a clever wrapping of a dollar bill around the old fuckstick?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 12:04:22 PM   
Rule


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Status: offline 		The foreskin as its primary function enables the flaccid penis to elongate to its erect condition.

Apparently it has estrogen receptors and conceivably may communicate in other ways with the female body.

It is a repository of good and / or bad bacteria and other disease causing agents. As such it causes lustdriven people without a conscience to die from sexually transmitted diseases, more than other people - and thus contributes to the high frequency presence of conscience in a population. Also it forces females to be circumspect and selective in committing to a relationship and intercourse in order to avoid running the risk of being infected with a sexually transmitted disease. The consequence of this selective behavior by the (adulterous) female is the coming into existence of the strongest evolutionary mechanism: that of sexual selection, which may be a thousand times more effective than natural selection. Because of this enforced sexual selection, they will be more attracted to males that are carriers of less inherited diseases rather than more inherited diseases, thusly reducing the frequency of deleterious alleles in the gene pool of their population.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 12:12:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, being cut, I am a gonna get me some pussy!!!!!

Great, I may use a fiver to wrap it then.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/25/2010 8:36:47 PM   
GotSteel


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Man’s soul, where his purpose is found, is in his guts; his intestines.

Does this mean that if someone has a proctocolectomy then they no longer have a soul?

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/26/2010 12:32:36 AM   
heartcream


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I havent read every word Rule has written but he comes across far less abrasive and out of it than some of the rest of you.

I dont get this foot stomping from some that sounds like a person is on trial, "Answer the question!"

Here we are at a kink site, a site of underworld sorts of things and the people here act as though any one of us owes the other something? Huh? Why?

As if not answering the question somehow proves something?

Some times I dont realize someone has asked me a question because the person asking me writes illegibly for me to read. I cant read something I cant somehow get a sense of the person on the other side.

People who cant imagine what it means to have nerve receptors, basically the ability to feel, 10's of thousands of them cut off the wee boy body are people I am not going to want around me. Meanwhile subjecting his waking moments on the planet to surgery, to knives, to glaring lights, to exrtreme pain and violation of his precious body and even more tender genitals. I know those of you who stomp up and down how great it is, how it is no big deal, how you fuck like a banshee so the fuck what will not ever likely hear the content of what I am shedding light on here. Too bad for you and those around you you influence.

I watch all you so-called logical normal people jump on Rule, call him crazy and everything, when to me each and everyone of you sound batzoid beyond help to me.

If Rule were crazy and you were not what does it say about you pointing your fingers at him and trying to humiliate and take him down? Fucking bullies. If he really is worse than you, nuttier than you why are you so eagerly and collectively so cruel?

I am ashamed of you and your kind. When you act like that I wish you would get on a space ship and go to some planet where they cut you up and wave guns around and act all bossy know it all pants all day long to each other.

Wave buh bye to the nice lady.



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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/26/2010 2:50:03 AM   
SirPumpy


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: SirPumpy
I dont feel bad at all now for belting my Step sons father for doing exactly that (Long story) to satisfy his own misguided and ignorant need for cleanliness.

Well done! I do hope it hurt him very much. Personally I would like such people to be belted naked and in public - and for them to pay more taxes, and to be pelted with rotten tomatoes.

May I suggest that you belt him again now and then?

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ORIGINAL: SirPumpy
Many "Cut" Cocks are bent, some up, some down and some like a corkscrew often creating issues for the fuckee as well as the fucker, there were a few theories floated

The erect circumcised penis assumes a contorted form for lack of the functional organ of the foreskin. What little skin such a penis has, simply cannot contain the added content when the penis in its erect condition is swollen with blood. One ought to see the same effect when more is pushed into an end-closed non-rigid tube than it can contain.



Funny you should mention it and yes, I have hurt this idiot a few times.

Your typical oxygen thief who gets off on beating women and general predatory behaviour which ground to a sudden halt when i hooked up with his ex.

He could manipulate the system but he couldn't manipulate me and over the years we have had a fair bit of fun at his expense and although im not by nature a violent person I can be rather good at intimidation and violence when the mood hits me and I always keep a calm, matter of fact demeanour.

The boy came away relatively unscathed and his sire keeps his distance and a healthy respect these days due in part to a pic of a play session I was privvy to involving a hammer, roofing nail, scrotum and a handy fence post.

Oh and a promise lol

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/26/2010 3:23:06 AM   
SirPumpy


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According to SirPumpy


Yeah, im quite sure his story about the prostitutes is accurate, medically sound and factual. No doubt these men they "saw" were just so forthcoming as to their experiences while trying to talk the woman into getting them off. Sorry, i prefer science over porn.

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As for adults that get this symptom: they probably got it form some sexually transmitted disease, facilitated by the Divine as a consequence of their own stupidity or lust and they should pay the price for their sin: die or stop reproducing if cured.


Again, very scientific analogy (not). You have no data to back up your assertion. I would expect a supergenious to use a better phrasing than... probably...

As hard as you may wish to dismiss the above, you have not shown any evidence to the contrary. To call people like kim and myself "brainless" because we sought medical advice, took such advice and did our own research, and made the best decisions for our children, is a bit self-serving.

I asked you a question...

Do you have children?




Firstly, Sex workers prefer to be called Sex workers.

Prostitute is such an unflattering puritanical term.

Secondly I was relating an experience I felt relevant to the discussion and other than health workers at a sexual health clinic I doubt any other profession gets a close up view of such a wide cross section of cocks.

Thirdly, A common misconception is that Hookers are dumb and this is far from the truth and in my experience often work in semi professional or professional jobs as well as sex work with quite a few working in the health industry as Nurses as well as University students studying an impressive range of subjects.

They often did not ask their clients anything, they observed the Penii they had in front of them and drew conclusions based on on what they saw because attempting to delve into your clients personal life is unprofessional.

So I find it disturbing that you dismiss the data I provided based on its source, is this a personal bias or weren't my findings presented suitably?

A question for you while im typing, How is it that a baby boy's penis gets poo on it?

Ive got 3 boys, ive changed plenty of nappies and yet none of the boys were ever in a shitty nappy long enough to work the poo forward far enough to get it on their uncircumcised penis.

Even when they had the shits.

And if they did get seriously messy id hose them down with a shower nozzle and run them through the bath although using disposable nappies for all of my kids definitely helped.

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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/26/2010 3:38:13 AM   
SirPumpy


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Status: offline 		And finally (For today) some information on Circumcision in Australia.

http://www.circinfo.org/ states on their front page

Today the vast majority of Australian boys are not circumcised, and grow up happily with the bodies that nature gave them. Although circumcision was common from the 1920s to the 1960s, medical authorities have discouraged the practice since the 1970s, and it is now pretty much a thing of the past. Most parents want their boys to be as happy and healthy as possible, and they know that leaving their penis to develop naturally is the best way to secure these outcomes. The most recent statement (August 2009) from the Royal Australasian College of Physicians states clearly “the RACP does not recommend that routine circumcision in infancy be performed.”

Despite this, a few die-hard enthusiasts for circumcision keep popping up in the media, full of alarmist claims about the terrible risks of retaining the foreskin. This propaganda is contrary to the advice issued by responsible medical bodies such as the Royal Australasian College of Physicians and is intended to confuse and mislead parents, and scare them into demanding circumcision for their boys. Most doctors are opposed to circumcision and will not perform the operation without genuine medical need (a rare situation). The fanatics have given up trying to influence responsible medical and scientific bodies; instead, they aim to use the popular media to frighten parents into putting pressure on doctors to agree to their demands.

Id also suggest reading the following links.

http://www.surgeons.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Research/ASERNIPS/ASERNIPSPublications/Rapid_Reviews_No_65.htm

http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004217.html Pain is an issue in "Cut" newborns.

And from the Children's hospital in Sydney http://www.chw.edu.au/parents/factsheets/circumj.htm

There are a lot of facts and study data included so well worth the read IMO.

Sir (Uncut) Pumpy


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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/26/2010 4:50:17 AM   
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I am ashamed of you and your kind. When you act like that I wish you would get on a space ship and go to some planet where they cut you up and wave guns around and act all bossy know it all pants all day long to each other.


How old did you say you were?


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RE: What is Lost Due to Circumcision? - 5/26/2010 5:13:28 AM   
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So, being cut, I am a gonna get me some pussy!!!!!

Great, I may use a fiver to wrap it then.
people used to swear coke was better snorted through a hundred dollah bill..............just sayin....

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