Malkinius -> RE: Airlines: questions, comments and complaints (5/24/2010 3:36:54 AM)
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Greetings Panda.... quote:
ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda So you're defending the aggression of Japan and Hitler in World War II? Because what you're advocating is exactly what they did in attacking China, Pearl Harbor, Poland, France, and the Soviet Union. You really approve of that sort of thing, do you? Do I defend the concept of deterrence even if done against me and mine? Yes. You see, it is simple. If I support an idea I support it even if I don't like how it turns out or it is used against me. Can you say the same or do you believe in situational ethics? Also, as I pointed out, Afghanistan was a reactionary situation. We went after the people who went after us. In Iraq were chartered by the UN in the first Gulf War to take out an aggressor nation, also a reactionary situation. There is less of a claim of that for the second Gulf War but Hussein made the mistake of trying to convince the world that he was cheating on WMD's. At that point, it was punishment for violating the conditions under which he was allowed to remain in power. That is not an unreasonable thing to do in my opinion. But, back to your original question. If someone has an honest and valid belief that they are about to be attacked, even if not true, then yes, I will defend their actions. Once again, my ethics work that way. I don't go back and say someone was wrong after the fact because of things they did not and could not know before the fact. Do you? Actually, I know you do from your posts. quote:
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ORIGINAL: Malkinius Oh yeah....by the way. Since this was all about oil, where is the oil? Surely we now have a glut of it coming from Iraq and Afghanistan since we took them over. Tanker after tanker sending free oil to the US, right? Where are they? Where is the oil? Can you find one single person who ever said that the reason the US was invading Iraq was to steal their oil? Literally steal the oil and ship it home to the US? Anyone? Anyone at all? No? Didn't think so. So then why are you are trying to disprove an argument that nobody ever made? What is the point of making strawman arguments? Actually, I thought Mikey had said that when I wrote it. I went back and checked. I couldn't find it. However, are you going to tell me you have never heard that claim? Never seen the ads or billboards? Never said it yourself? Can you really do all that truthfully? Maybe the last point. But it is the usual claim that gets made about US involvement in the Middle East. Do you deny that? Reason will never cut through the hate some people have about some things. It can be about people, races, gender, religions, political beliefs, moral and ethical beliefs or just about anything. Some people just build up a level of hate that will not be changed by reality or truth. I don't write off people like you or Mikey because you make such wonderful object lessons and teaching tools. Therefore I thank you for being what you are. You are very good at helping other people understand what not to be. Be well.... Malkinius
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