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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 5:19:35 PM

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He should have taken the offer. Secretary of the Navy would be a lot more fun than being a senator.

You are joking, right???
The pay is about the same but secnav has no job security...senator pretty much has a job for life if he/she chooses.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 5:29:58 PM

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You guys shoud really check when SecNav Ray Mabus was confirmed compared to when Bill clinton spoke to Sestak. The job wasn't SecNav. Issa just made that up.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 5:46:00 PM

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You guys shoud really check when SecNav Ray Mabus was confirmed compared to when Bill clinton spoke to Sestak. The job wasn't SecNav. Issa just made that up.

Care to back that with something, Ken, or would it be easier to just admit you are the one making things up? The SecNav job was part of the questioning from the first interview where Sestak confirmed he had been offered a job in exchange for dropping out.

It seems much more likely that was raised by someone in the press as a possibile offer, and place to start a fishing expedition.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 6:47:53 PM

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"I want you to listen to me, because I'm only going to tell you one time. I DID NOT OFFER A BRIBE... TO THAT MAN, JOE SESTAK...."

(Depending on what the meaning of "is" is, of course).

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Why OF COURSE NOT!
Now they're saying that former president Clinton offered Sestak a,........."Non-Paid "ADVISORY" position!!!
(Wink, wink, Nod nod!!!)
We can trust Bill "Joe Isuzu" Clinton,.....right?

Seventeen thousand dollars for a plate of chow, man, I hope they didn't leave there hungry!

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 8:05:24 PM

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You guys shoud really check when SecNav Ray Mabus was confirmed compared to when Bill clinton spoke to Sestak. The job wasn't SecNav. Issa just made that up.

Care to back that with something, Ken, or would it be easier to just admit you are the one making things up? The SecNav job was part of the questioning from the first interview where Sestak confirmed he had been offered a job in exchange for dropping out.

It seems much more likely that was raised by someone in the press as a possibile offer, and place to start a fishing expedition.

Specter switched parties early March 2009.
Mabus was nominated for SecNav in late March and confirmed by mid May.
Clinton spoke to Sestak during the summer of 2009.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 8:09:23 PM

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Right. But Sestak had been an admiral, and for a reporter who needed a follow-up question, SecNav might not be such a stretch. You think Issa is that creative?

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 8:49:41 PM

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Right. But Sestak had been an admiral, and for a reporter who needed a follow-up question, SecNav might not be such a stretch. You think Issa is that creative?

Do you deny the fact that the SecNavb job was no longer available?

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 9:38:50 PM

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Do you deny the fact that the SecNavb job was no longer available?

???! What patch of weeds are you trying to drag this off into, Ken? That's the specific job that was raised as a possibility in questioning, but I have no confirmation as to where that came from. My own guess is that somebody thought it was logical, without knowing the job was recently filled. I'm pretty sure though, it was part of the mix before Issa ever picked it up.

What evidence do you offer that Rep. Issa was the one who invented that part of the inquiry? Let's get that cleared before moving on.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 9:53:38 PM

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"I want you to listen to me, because I'm only going to tell you one time. I DID NOT OFFER A BRIBE... TO THAT MAN, JOE SESTAK...."

(Depending on what the meaning of "is" is, of course).

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Why OF COURSE NOT!
Now they're saying that former president Clinton offered Sestak a,........."Non-Paid "ADVISORY" position!!!
(Wink, wink, Nod nod!!!)
We can trust Bill "Joe Isuzu" Clinton,.....right?

Seventeen thousand dollars for a plate of chow, man, I hope they didn't leave there hungry!

And what foreign attackers were planing to attack our cities and our Pentagon while the nutters dragged Clinton and the nation through your republo-fun?

osama bin forgotten.......and your radical Muslim counterparts.

What did you rightists and your wacko leaders shout as Clinton sent cruse missiles into the Afghan mountains to kill bin-laden?

"No war for Monica"

Misery accomplished.

al queda couldn`t have had better friends and helpers than the GOP.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 9:54:03 PM

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Right. But Sestak had been an admiral, and for a reporter who needed a follow-up question, SecNav might not be such a stretch. You think Issa is that creative?

Do you deny the fact that the SecNavb job was no longer available?

Ha! That job is *always* "available!"
"To spend more time with my family and.........."
It's called making them an offer they can't refuse. Who in their right mind would think that an unpaid "advisory" job would be proffered?

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/28/2010 10:40:03 PM

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Do you deny the fact that the SecNavb job was no longer available?

???! What patch of weeds are you trying to drag this off into, Ken? That's the specific job that was raised as a possibility in questioning, but I have no confirmation as to where that came from. My own guess is that somebody thought it was logical, without knowing the job was recently filled. I'm pretty sure though, it was part of the mix before Issa ever picked it up.

What evidence do you offer that Rep. Issa was the one who invented that part of the inquiry? Let's get that cleared before moving on.

*typo

Issa certainly is the only one claiming it was SecNav. Sestak has refused to answer the question.

All I'm saying is that any claim that Sestak was offered SecNav is contradicted by the facts.

BTW in hunting through my stuff I noticed that I messed up on the date when Specter switched parties. It was in April well after the secNav was nominated.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 6:18:58 AM

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Issa certainly is the only one claiming it was SecNav.

Go back to the first post, Ken. Read the last link, to philly.com. The host of the radio show asked about Secretary of the Navy as his follow up question. Look at the date on that. Reconcile that with your declaration above.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 7:30:10 AM

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The job in question was, of course, an unpaid advisory position, so "bribe" is at least a little strong.

Improper? Probably. Illegal? Probably technically not. Done all the time by both parties? Sure. A contradiction for the administration? Granted.

The dumb thing, though, was Sestak shooting off his mouth, not anticipating that it would come around to bite him in the ass.

Don't these people ever think ahead?

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 7:34:20 AM

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"A top House Republican",lol,there`s your problem right there.

So when did republicans become concerned with government ethics? Should we allow thieves call others larcenists?

Well, using conservative ideals, principals and practices,unless it`s on video tape,or said under oath,it`s not relevant,true or even existent.

That's the best you got?

Why should he have any more for this thread than every other one?

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 7:46:07 AM

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The job in question was, of course, an unpaid advisory position, so "bribe" is at least a little strong.

Improper? Probably. Illegal? Probably technically not. Done all the time by both parties? Sure. A contradiction for the administration? Granted.

The dumb thing, though, was Sestak shooting off his mouth, not anticipating that it would come around to bite him in the ass.

Don't these people ever think ahead?

Paid or not, the statute refers to anything of value. Resume building has value. It is also a violation of the Hatch Act which prohibits any kind of interference with elections.

Done by both parties? Got any examples on the GOP side? Even if true, what happened to "no politics as usual"?

We now have Sestak, Blogo and Gregg...by one administration, in less than 2 years. Match it.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 7:52:33 AM

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in 1981, the Reagan administration reportedly offered former California Sen. S.I. Hayawaka a job in the administration in exchange for not seeking re-election.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 7:56:24 AM

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in 1981, the Reagan administration reportedly offered former California Sen. S.I. Hayawaka a job in the administration in exchange for not seeking re-election.

Except there isnt even a claim of an exchange in the "report". But then the media that matters to Media Matters is whatever they can blow up your ass.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 7:59:00 AM

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this coming from you is the height of hilarity, wb wilbur, I have missed you
almost as much as I miss rhoids

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 7:59:11 AM

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The job in question was, of course, an unpaid advisory position, so "bribe" is at least a little strong.

Improper? Probably. Illegal? Probably technically not. Done all the time by both parties? Sure. A contradiction for the administration? Granted.

The dumb thing, though, was Sestak shooting off his mouth, not anticipating that it would come around to bite him in the ass.

Don't these people ever think ahead?

Paid or not, the statute refers to anything of value. Resume building has value. It is also a violation of the Hatch Act which prohibits any kind of interference with elections.

Done by both parties? Got any examples on the GOP side? Even if true, what happened to "no politics as usual"?

We now have Sestak, Blogo and Gregg...by one administration, in less than 2 years. Match it.

I don't actually care enough to bother. I've already noted it's a problem for the administration.

Of course it's done by both parties. Pick an administration and see for yourself. To pretend otherwise is just silly. You are smart when you want to be, and obviously must know this.

And granted, that doesn't make it lily white either.

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RE: The Sestak Allegation - 5/29/2010 8:02:34 AM

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The job in question was, of course, an unpaid advisory position, so "bribe" is at least a little strong.

Improper? Probably. Illegal? Probably technically not. Done all the time by both parties? Sure. A contradiction for the administration? Granted.

The dumb thing, though, was Sestak shooting off his mouth, not anticipating that it would come around to bite him in the ass.

Don't these people ever think ahead?

Paid or not, the statute refers to anything of value. Resume building has value. It is also a violation of the Hatch Act which prohibits any kind of interference with elections.

Done by both parties? Got any examples on the GOP side? Even if true, what happened to "no politics as usual"?

We now have Sestak, Blogo and Gregg...by one administration, in less than 2 years. Match it.

I don't actually care enough to bother. I've already noted it's a problem for the administration.

Of course it's done by both parties. Pick an administration and see for yourself. To pretend otherwise is just silly. You are smart when you want to be, and obviously must know this.

And granted, that doesn't make it lily white either.