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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

It's Stevens beard... I didn't want to say anything...... but it is SO not lifestyle.


I thought EVERYONE knew it was a goatee or nothing at all.

There... I said it! and I will not appologize!!!!!!!

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For the most part, I agree with my evil counterpart... ignoring it.

However, if I feel strongly enough about it, then the right thing to do is to try to convince enough other people that it is wrong also. If enough other people agree with me, then a law is passed and the thing becomes illegal. Some how or the other, all us humans need to get along.

To use an extreme example, I feel pretty strongly that barbecuing babies is unacceptable and wrong. I really don't give a crap whether my neighbors have deeply seated religious convictions and for THEM it is a positive and affirming thing. Conveniently, lots of other people agree with me so it is prohibited by law. And I would absolutely call the cops.

This is a rare example where I agree with you SocratesNot. The BDSM community likes to bandy about tolerance as if it were some sort of panacea to all social conflict and it is not. At some point, things become intolerable. What that point is will vary from individual to individual and item to item. When that point is passed, then there are recourses as there must be. Anything else would be anarchy and us humans demonstrably do not like living in anarchies.

In a slightly more realistic example (and I stress "slightly" here), it is conceivable in my mind that it would come to my attention that my neighbors were engaging in some BDSM practice that I found intolerable. I want to stress here that we'd be talking about something that, at least in my mind, was not subject to debate. Given my tolerances, I'm pretty sure such a thing would also be blatantly and highly illegal. But all the same, I have an active imagination and I can imagine such things. And unlike the preponderance of collarme, I absolutely assert that it is my right and obligation to act in such a circumstance. In the end, it will be up to the courts to sort it out.

By definition, if the courts were to find the defendant guilty, then I am not infringing on their rights. It is NOBODY's right to live in a society and ignore the laws.

So... to SocratesNot's dismay with my relationship. Yes. If he were to find what I do so intolerable that you morally must take action, then I encourage him to do so. Honor is not preserved by inaction.

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In general, I have my opinions and I don't have very strong opinions about what others do unless there are non-consensual victims.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

That was a lovely response. It warns us all that you have decided what is wrong and right.

How thoughtful of you.

You are a douche. You have no value here at all. You might as well go fishing with Freado.

You are dead to me.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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In general, I have my opinions and I don't have very strong opinions about what others do unless there are non-consensual victims.

I think exactly the same.

Now, there is a thing that I am intolerant about, just because I think that this may be non-consensual.
This thing is TPE or even more precisely "internal enslavement". Of course, the decision to enter such relationship was completely free decision of the slave, so the relationship started as completely consensual.

However, there are great many masters and slaves who claim that in TPE a slave actually does not have a choice. S(he) must obey. S(he) is actually unable to disobey. S(he) is also unable to leave the relationship because his / her will and control is completely transfered to the Master or Mistress.
In such situation we can no longer talk about consent because the slave lost the ability to disobey. Not because Master or Mistress prevent them from disobeying by threats or something like that, but because there is something inside them that simply prevents them from disobeying or leaving relationship, no matter what happens inside the relationship.

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

La, read the guy's posts.....we're all mentally ill and need saving and his research from reading profiles and no experience whatsoever has convinced him that he can be our therapists......really....not making this shit up.....oh and by the way while he's doing this "therapy" he's going to get a little sex on the side.....yeah...just sayin.....