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GotSteel -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/25/2010 8:08:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I guess it depends how you define risk then, as there is much more than physical risk involved. There might be more women who would potentially blackmail a sub then a man, which could be a huge risk as well. But now we are getting into stereotypes. I think overall, the risks probably balance out. More importantly, the risk are reduced when people take the time to know who they are playing with.

I don't know if I agree with you on that, personally I consider being murdered a whole lot more serious than being blackmailed, but maybe that's just me. Anyway, I've liked this post and your subsequent ones a lot better. Talking about our experiences and pointing out that there are enough other variables that we can't pin things down neatly across gender lines seems more useful than denying that things in our lifestyle are effected by gender.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/25/2010 8:23:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I guess it depends how you define risk then, as there is much more than physical risk involved. There might be more women who would potentially blackmail a sub then a man, which could be a huge risk as well. But now we are getting into stereotypes. I think overall, the risks probably balance out. More importantly, the risk are reduced when people take the time to know who they are playing with.

I don't know if I agree with you on that, personally I consider being murdered a whole lot more serious than being blackmailed, but maybe that's just me. Anyway, I've liked this post and your subsequent ones a lot better. Talking about our experiences and pointing out that there are enough other variables that we can't pin things down neatly across gender lines seems more useful than denying that things in our lifestyle are effected by gender.



Which of course, I never did. I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender. I'm not sure why you and the OP cannot see this whilst mostly everyone else has.

- LA




Silence8 -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/25/2010 8:29:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I guess it depends how you define risk then, as there is much more than physical risk involved. There might be more women who would potentially blackmail a sub then a man, which could be a huge risk as well. But now we are getting into stereotypes. I think overall, the risks probably balance out. More importantly, the risk are reduced when people take the time to know who they are playing with.

I don't know if I agree with you on that, personally I consider being murdered a whole lot more serious than being blackmailed, but maybe that's just me. Anyway, I've liked this post and your subsequent ones a lot better. Talking about our experiences and pointing out that there are enough other variables that we can't pin things down neatly across gender lines seems more useful than denying that things in our lifestyle are effected by gender.



Which of course, I never did. I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender. I'm not sure why you and the OP cannot see this whilst mostly everyone else has.

- LA



You know, you quote the OP in your signature line? [:D]





Silence8 -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/25/2010 8:30:52 PM)

Also... Socrates wasn't French.




cloudboy -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/25/2010 9:43:43 PM)

Glad to see someone's thinking here. Good example.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/26/2010 3:41:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Silence8
You know, you quote the OP in your signature line? [:D]


Not! ;-)

- LA




GotSteel -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/26/2010 6:19:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
This depends entirely on the dominant and has nothing to do with gender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Talking about our experiences and pointing out that there are enough other variables that we can't pin things down neatly across gender lines seems more useful than denying that things in our lifestyle are effected by gender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Which of course, I never did. I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender. I'm not sure why you and the OP cannot see this whilst mostly everyone else has.

Like I said when you elaborated on your position it started making a lot more sense,. Whatever message you were trying to convey by repeating "this....has nothing to do with gender" over and over, hopefully you can understand that what some of us received was that your position was that this has nothing to do with gender.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/26/2010 4:19:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
This depends entirely on the dominant and has nothing to do with gender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Talking about our experiences and pointing out that there are enough other variables that we can't pin things down neatly across gender lines seems more useful than denying that things in our lifestyle are effected by gender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Which of course, I never did. I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender. I'm not sure why you and the OP cannot see this whilst mostly everyone else has.

Like I said when you elaborated on your position it started making a lot more sense,. Whatever message you were trying to convey by repeating "this....has nothing to do with gender" over and over, hopefully you can understand that what some of us received was that your position was that this has nothing to do with gender.


And it is still my position that it has nothing to do with gender.

- LA




GotSteel -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/28/2010 6:59:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
And it is still my position that it has nothing to do with gender.


Can you understand why people wouldn't necessary view these statements as equivalent?




LadyAngelika -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/28/2010 7:10:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
And it is still my position that it has nothing to do with gender.


Can you understand why people wouldn't necessary view these statements as equivalent?


I can. At the same time, they are not contradictory. One supports the other.

- LA




GotSteel -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/28/2010 4:37:14 PM)

A few posts ago it seemed like you were saying one was a rephrasing of the other; now by talking about how the statements relate to each other it sounds like you consider them to be two different positions. Do you see what I mean?


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
This depends entirely on...and has nothing to do with gender.

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
...denying that things in our lifestyle are effected by gender.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Which of course, I never did. I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender.





LadyAngelika -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/28/2010 4:53:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

A few posts ago it seemed like you were saying one was a rephrasing of the other; now by talking about how the statements relate to each other it sounds like you consider them to be two different positions. Do you see what I mean?


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
This depends entirely on...and has nothing to do with gender.

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
...denying that things in our lifestyle are effected by gender.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Which of course, I never did. I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender.




Do you always dissect what people write like this? Or did I win a special prize. ;-)

Men and women are different. Men are different from each other. Women are different from each other. There are genderbenders that makes this all even more complex.

Bottom line is that we cannot generalize by saying that there is male dominants and female dominants are different unless we are saying that every single one of them is different from each.

Is that clearer? I hope so, because that was the last stab I'll take at explicating it. Others have done a great job of doing it as well.

- LA




GotSteel -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 8:19:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Do you always dissect what people write like this? Or did I win a special prize. ;-)


I agree with this position and the explanation that you and others have put forth for it:
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I simply said that you cannot define a style of dominance by gender.

I came back to thread saw a position being put forth by you and others that I think we are all on the same page about. I figured you'd simply misspoken in your first post, made my comment at the top of page seven and expected that to be the end of the thread. I was surprised when you reasserted the accuracy of your initial statement which seems to be a different and less accepted position and have spent some posts subsequently trying to understand what you're saying because I'm used to you having logical and well thought out positions.





Blankpain -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 8:23:23 AM)

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Bottom line is that we cannot generalize


Never was anything learned about a culture of peoples, or a sect, or a religion, or even a color of peoples, nor their fetishes, without generalizing.

Generalizing simple needs to stand the test of the sum of individuals.

Without generalization, there are no answers.




Jeffff -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 8:27:49 AM)

I would have generalized that I don't think white socks look good on a woman.

I would have been incorrect.


Just don't wear sandals!




SocratesNot -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 8:45:55 AM)

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quote:

Bottom line is that we cannot generalize


Never was anything learned about a culture of peoples, or a sect, or a religion, or even a color of peoples, nor their fetishes, without generalizing.

Generalizing simple needs to stand the test of the sum of individuals.

Without generalization, there are no answers.


Bravo blankpain, you explained it perfectly.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 11:24:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Blankpain

Without generalization, there are no answers.

But the generalisation still has to be statistically valid. In this case I don't believe it is.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 12:06:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

quote:

ORIGINAL: Blankpain

Without generalization, there are no answers.

But the generalisation still has to be statistically valid. In this case I don't believe it is.



EXACTLY, VC!!!!  Statistics is merely the science of VALID generalization. 

So yes, Blankpain is correct that some generalizations are useful and necessary.  The problem is that too many people pull silly, invalid, unsupportable generalizations out of their butts, and then try to pass them off as facts.




SocratesNot -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 12:17:03 PM)

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Never was anything learned about a culture of peoples, or a sect, or a religion, or even a color of peoples, nor their fetishes, without generalizing.


So fucking true!




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Maledom relationships vs. Femdom relationships (5/30/2010 12:24:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

quote:

Never was anything learned about a culture of peoples, or a sect, or a religion, or even a color of peoples, nor their fetishes, without generalizing.


So fucking true!



SN,
See my post above.  [8|]




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