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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:38:03 PM   
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How would you like us to respond when we feel there is good reason to believe that someone who is posting crazy-talk on a regular basis is actually mentally disturbed and needs professional help? 



Block, and move on. You have no idea what the reality of the person on the other end might be, including it being a garden variety asshole who is laughing his ass off at this thread right now, or someone already under professional care who has been medicated DOWN to this point.




I'll agree with this and it actually deters me from going there most days. If I could have intelligent conversations there with open minded people who know how to debate collegiately, I'd go more often. More often then not, I feel like I'm assisting a live taping of Hee-Haw.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:39:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do see where you are coming from...but freedom of speech has little to do with a group of people or a country that refuses to stand up for their beliefs and common decency.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:40:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kevin. In one sentence, what is this thread about?

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:42:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread is do with how should we approach the difficulty of  helping people with mental illness? My answer is only a certified doctor can tell if someone is mentally ill. It is not for us to judge
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:44:55 PM   
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They write the TOS they could change it in any way they please...In fact how simple it would be to say they reserve the right to ban any member for any reason they see fit.

What is to stop the possiblity of Moderators doing the "unthinkable" and banning someone without true cause then?  That would be blacklisting.

Also, here's a link to the Free Speech Coalition.

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/



There is nothing it is their site...If they believe someone is disrupting the boards because they are mentally ill then they can ban them. Evidently they don't think this person is disruptive enough to be banned.

If they choose to ban someone because of their political bent…they can do it.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:48:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		This particular poster is really quite mild in comparison to some that I have seen on here. There is a case of ongoing and obvious mental illness that has been very cut and dried that has been played out and detailed on the forums here over the past several years. In that particular case it seems that there is a very likely possibility of actual danger, harm and ongoing abuse. If the alarm bells didn't go off for the powers that be in that instance, I think it's highly unlikely they are going to react to the nonsensical rantings of this one.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:49:03 PM   
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This thread is do with how should we approach the difficulty of  helping people with mental illness? My answer is only a certified doctor can tell if someone is mentally ill. It is not for us to judge
kevin



No it is not. Care to try again?

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:50:12 PM   
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A better question is what do you do when you realize the number of those people is actually growing. Redact all you like...a large number of us here know exactly the ones you mean (or at least the ones *we* think are mentally disturbed). They often start threads in the political forums and make the wildest claims you can imagine.


While I agree that this raises additional issues, my concern is primarily about how to keep serious discussions from being derailed because someone is randomly inserting provocative, disturbing statements that are basically trolling for attention.  This thread itself is an excellent example.  So far we've had posted that it would be exciting to be contacted by a 12 year old girl on an adult site, that murderers go to heaven because they don't know they're doing anything wrong, that the American constitution should be enshrined on CM and that Chinese dictators are evil and oppressive.  People being people, there have been various responses to these statements that aren't doing much for the original topic except to illustrate the problem clearly.

On the Politics forum at least some of this is on topic and not a thread derailment.  When there's a totally different topic and somebody trolls it in a disturbing enough way that everybody basically stops talking to deal with the disturbance, that's a problem if it happens consistently.  Which it does on some forums here, unfortunately.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:52:29 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:54:45 PM   
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This thread is do with how should we approach the difficulty of  helping people with mental illness? My answer is only a certified doctor can tell if someone is mentally ill. It is not for us to judge


No.  It's about how to deal with disruption on the forums caused by people who are mentally ill.  It is impossible to either diagnose or treat mental illness in strangers over the Internet, so that is not under consideration.  It is possible to manage a public forum in a way that does not allow mentally disturbed people to disrupt or derail discussions too often, while remaining aware of the slippery slope of censorship as well as the ethical issues of dealing with people who don't understand why or how they are being disruptive.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:55:04 PM   
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How to respond to a mentally disturbed individual on CM, What is the appropriate response in dealing with a mentally disturbed individual on CM
kevin



You are getting close. There's a clue in the post above yours.

- LA

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:56:50 PM   
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This particular poster is really quite mild in comparison to some that I have seen on here. There is a case of ongoing and obvious mental illness that has been very cut and dried that has been played out and detailed on the forums here over the past several years. In that particular case it seems that there is a very likely possibility of actual danger, harm and ongoing abuse. If the alarm bells didn't go off for the powers that be in that instance, I think it's highly unlikely they are going to react to the nonsensical rantings of this one.


This. I'm not sure why this one has managed to get so deeply under the skin of some, but he really isn't the first poster I think of in terms of mental disturbance



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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:56:51 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 2:58:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		if someone disrupts your line of thinking and conversation on here, you can choose to ignore them.  you can not make others do the same, you can not make the person in question change how they post.

we can not control what others do, we can only control our reactions to them.

or go start your own forum where you have the power to remove anything you find to be disruptive..

its really quite simple to me.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 3:01:04 PM   
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How do I know if they're just trying to get everyone riled up or they're a kid pretending to be an adult? I don't.
Even if they are crazy there's not much you can do anyway unless you know where they live.
If you really feel some kind of deep seated need to save them, report them to the website and let them deal.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 3:01:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		My question is: Is this about the fact that the person is perceived to be mentally ill, or could it be partly about the OP's annoyance at the repeated derailment of threads by said person?



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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 3:01:56 PM   
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What is the ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual on CM.
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Start a thread about them in off-topic. Don't mention the poster's name. Directly engage poster in self-fulfilling prophecy of thread derailment.

Apparently.



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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 3:06:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why are you scening with him, LadyA? The stern teacher bit is hot, don't get me wrong, but I'm curious of your choice of venue and partner.



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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 3:06:54 PM   
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Damn. And I thought he might actually have gotten it this time around. I guess that's one way of dealing with it.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 3:10:32 PM   
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Why are you scening with him, LadyA? The stern teacher bit is hot, don't get me wrong, but I'm curious of your choice of venue and partner.


Oh this is not a scene, trust me. And I know that because I'm not getting off on it ;-)

What was doing was a technique called the teach-back method. It is a common practice used in education where we get people to keep trying to reformulate things in their own words and "teach it back" to show that they have understood it.

I was trying to see if there was a glimmer of hope but I guess he was silenced before this could happen.

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