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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:50:22 PM   
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Damn. And I thought he might actually have gotten it this time around. I guess that's one way of dealing with it.


Yes.  It is.  I am satisfied; this is probably the best possible outcome since he can still participate, just not randomly and disruptively. I'm sorry it's going to take so much of the moderators' time though, since filtering through the sheer mass of it can't be fun.



But, you're assuming he'll permantly be on moderation; that seems unlikely.

And honestly, except for one post, he seemed "non-disruptive" on this thread.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:52:02 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:54:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		You make a good point Stella about the diagnosing. But I will tell you, that it certain things become quite evident over time. I might be off totally off base here, but I've become a good judge of character over the years.

And to be honest, I've considered leaving CM a few times because I wasn't in agreement with some of the posts they let slide (VAA knows this btw), but I also decided that I'm not going to make other people's behaviours push me out. So as far as I am concerned, this is an online community and we need to contribute to it. I've volunteered for CM in the past when I had a lighter schedule. I don't have that kind of time now. What I do however is flag posts that are inappropriate and report them to help the mods. We wouldn't need so many mods if we regulated ourselves. Most of us are, afterall, adults, no?

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:55:14 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:55:29 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:55:53 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:56:14 PM   
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And honestly, except for one post, he seemed "non-disruptive" on this thread.


Level, baby, I shoulda took a screen shot.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 5:57:17 PM   
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uh..the quotes are pulled too...


The Mods here tend to be efficient like that.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:02:50 PM   
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i think this may have started off as a way for some to vent frustrations about others who do not play according to the rules they feel should rule.  at some point, to me anyhow, it went from that, to reminding me of the so called cool kids making fun of the retarded kid til the retarded kid ran out of the gym and cried in the bathroom.  i ran to comfort her in the bathroom, and i wish i could hug some unnamed poster, rather than watch him be humiliated.

i agree with whoever posted that it is amazing some one can manipulate supposedly more intelligent people to the point this thread was needed.  all of this could have been handled in private, with the mods, rather than using this thread to pretend you wanted to help an individual with a mental illness.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:04:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed. (as far as the mod's effieciency..sorry thought it would post below yours)

I actually agree with stella. I don't see it as all that disruptive. I do worry about a few of the people on this site and the one you guys are referring to is soooooo not the worst as far as my being concerned goes, but it's not my place to judge.

As I said in my post, I do remember someone coming on here on two occasions and literally threatening imminent self-harm and CM acting immediately. In that case, there wasn't much question there was a real problem. Other than that, I don't really care that there's some derailment, I certainly don't report things unless it's about UMs and I'm happy there's less moderation and more discussion. It's SO much better than it was.....the daily "no limits" and "breaking the slave" threads are what made me leave the first time, although the recent rash of "you're all bad" posters is annoying...this too shall pass.

I've met some fantastic people from CM, I tend to focus on the laughter and that instead of the minor annoyances.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:04:46 PM   
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And honestly, except for one post, he seemed "non-disruptive" on this thread.


Level, baby, I shoulda took a screen shot.

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Who wouldn't be disruptive when it's clear that he's the subject of a fuckin lynch mob that's gathered to hang him under some bullshit guise that's it's genuine concern for a chat forum "community"?






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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:10:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know? If it had been the "cool kids bullying the nerd" or a "lynch mob" I doubt this thread should have even been started - we'd have just gotten on with bullying or finding a damned tree.

As it was there was genuine concern and a question asked in such a way as to hopefully frame it so it wasnt about one person. And then the 7th cavalry comes over the hill and what? Undoes the framework so its painfully obvious what it was about.

Clumsy and ill judged and yes, disruptive.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:11:12 PM   
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Must have been pulled pretty fast that noone quoted it, or read it.


I will only say this, since I don't defend myself ;112 remaining posts and 1482 hits (thats how many times its been looked at). A lot of people saw a lot of posts.  It was not possible to pull them that fast.

Thanks to those (even the ones I spanked **eg**) speaking out for the site. 

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:11:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand Stella's point about diagnosing someone. However when they persistently make statements that they are unlovable and would have been better off not to have been born, then that's a pretty obvious clue that they have major issues. Can I diagnose whether it's a personality disorder or a mood disorder? Nope, but I can still say that they need to tell this to their therapist and if the therapist refuses to refer them to a psychiatrist, that I strongly suggest they walk into the ER. Because this comes perilously close to my psychiatrist's definition of a psychiatric emergency: Thoughts or plans of suicide. Is this a direct thought of suicide, not yet. Could he easily get to that point? Quite possibly.

As to what the site can do? Nothing. They don't have a real name and home address, and again unless the person announced he is going to kill himself, the police can do nothing either. Until there is a clear and present danger to himself or someone else, you can't interfere. If he wants to live under a bridge instead of going to a shelter, he has that right is what it boils down to.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:13:15 PM   
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You make a good point Stella about the diagnosing. But I will tell you, that it certain things become quite evident over time. I might be off totally off base here, but I've become a good judge of character over the years.



Surely you don't expect me to accept that being a good judge of character on an internet message board over a period of time is anywhere near a match for the clinical training and years of study (together with case studies and experience) of a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist, do you?

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

And to be honest, I've considered leaving CM a few times because I wasn't in agreement with some of the posts they let slide (VAA knows this btw), but I also decided that I'm not going to make other people's behaviours push me out. So as far as I am concerned, this is an online community and we need to contribute to it. I've volunteered for CM in the past when I had a lighter schedule. I don't have that kind of time now. What I do however is flag posts that are inappropriate and report them to help the mods. We wouldn't need so many mods if we regulated ourselves. Most of us are, afterall, adults, no?



Okay right, and as adults we know that anyone disrupting or derailing a thread not to mention all the other shenanigans which take place on these threads come from people who are seeking attention.

Now you can either play their game and feed their desire for attention or you can ignore. You always have that choice. And it's having this choice which for me enables one and all of us to have a place here. And it's the diversity of these message boards which attracts so many people.

It's the same argument with the fakes and scammers - you always have that choice whether to respond or not. AS you rightly say, there's no need for the mods to play Nanny, we can moderate ourselves.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:13:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fraz I wasn't patronizing I meant it sincerely. I'm sorry you saw it that way.

That he's playing us is a surprise to me, because I do usually "get" Brit humour. More fool me.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:15:41 PM   
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Lighten up people, there's no conspiracy or lynch mob here. Ill thought out yes, the end of the world? No.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:21:31 PM   
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You make a good point Stella about the diagnosing. But I will tell you, that it certain things become quite evident over time. I might be off totally off base here, but I've become a good judge of character over the years.



Surely you don't expect me to accept that being a good judge of character on an internet message board over a period of time is anywhere near a match for the clinical training and years of study (together with case studies and experience) of a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist, do you?


I have nowhere near that level of arrogance. If you go back to see my very first post on this, you'll see my exact thoughts.

I'm also going to refer you to LadyEllen's latest post which is, in my opinion, right on the mark.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:21:37 PM   
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You know? If it had been the "cool kids bullying the nerd" or a "lynch mob" I doubt this thread should have even been started - we'd have just gotten on with bullying or finding a damned tree.

As it was there was genuine concern and a question asked in such a way as to hopefully frame it so it wasnt about one person. And then the 7th cavalry comes over the hill and what? Undoes the framework so its painfully obvious what it was about.



Bullshit.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 6:21:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK folks I have missed a couple of posts and working backward, but please might I remind (myself also, I was guilty of it) everyone as to the topic that is actually supposed to be being discussed? Can we get it back on track? It was on its way back when the sites(my) honor came into question. The topic when it wasn't about a particular poster was a good one. Anyone care to revisit it?

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