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Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual on CM? - 5/23/2010 11:49:31 AM   
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Redacted to a separate thread to avoid hijacking the original topic any further, and to remove it at least one step from the problem person's identity so it can be discussed more in the abstract. 

How would you like us to respond when we feel there is good reason to believe that someone who is posting crazy-talk on a regular basis is actually mentally disturbed and needs professional help?  I don't see that reasonably passing by without comment, and I'm not even sure it's ethical to either ignore him or encourage him.  What do we do?  Is there really a good answer? 

Obviously nobody can make a stranger on the Internet go and get professional help, but it's damn hard to ignore him in a discussion when he consistently comes in with emphatic insistence that bears no relationship to observable reality.  Not talking about the problem is sort of like pretending there isn't a big pink elephant in the room, even when it's throwing stuff around and trumpeting.  I'm not sure it's entirely realistic to expect people not to go, "Hey, that's a BIG PINK ELEPHANT" when one walks into the room.  So what do we do?

I'm not talking about disagreeing with someone or being annoyed that they have opinions different from yours.  I'm talking about having long term reasons to believe that there is actual mental illness going on, and being as much concerned as annoyed.  How can the site's users deal with a situation like this in a way that is ethical as well as minimally disruptive to the functioning of the site and considerate of the moderators' time and energy?  I don't imagine they consider it much fun to have to deal with the stuff the elephant throws around, let alone all the people yelling "Hey, there goes an ELEPHANT".  But as long as there is an elephant, realistically there's no way to keep either of those things from happening.  I don't have a good answer, and I'm hoping that you do.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 11:56:09 AM   
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How would you like us to respond when we feel there is good reason to believe that someone who is posting crazy-talk on a regular basis is actually mentally disturbed and needs professional help?  I don't see that reasonably passing by without comment, and I'm not even sure it's ethical to either ignore him or encourage him.  What do we do?  Is there really a good answer? 


I think this is a phenomenal question and was wondering this lately myself as well. Thank you for bringing it up LNT.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:01:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would say most of us here have no professional training in mental illness so we do nothing. Let the administrators decide if this person is a disruption to the site. They don't need to determine the sanity of anyone it is their choice when or when not to ban anyone.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:07:20 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:11:14 PM   
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I would say most of us here have no professional training in mental illness so we do nothing.


One does not need professional training in mental illness to be able to identify a reoccurring behaviour. To do something about is another issue all together. And I think that is what LNT is asking.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:12:56 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:16:49 PM   
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I would say most of us here have no professional training in mental illness so we do nothing. Let the administrators decide if this person is a disruption to the site. They don't need to determine the sanity of anyone it is their choice when or when not to ban anyone.


That is an excellent point.  The individual in question isn't the kind of disturbed that leads to causing direct disruption so much as indirect disruption.  Few if any of his posts would actually violate the TOS of this site.  They are however so frequent and so outrageous, and so indicative of serious reality disconnect and mental/emotional disturbance, that he is in effect a big pink elephant in the room. 

It's hard (actually, pretty much impossible) to avoid having *somebody* start talking about the fact that he's a big pink elephant, and that's primarily what is causing most of the disruption and thread hijacking.  None of us really know what to do about it.  Some of us could hide/ignore his posts, but there will always be more people coming on board who haven't figured out that we have a big pink elephant and who will be shocked enough to respond and quote him, at least until someone else explains about the elephant problem. 

The issue is not that some of us have individual or personal disagreements with him, or that he is attacking people or starting arguments with them directly.  It's more of a constant barrage of crazy-talk that is going to be problematic whether the forum regulars who know about the issue put him on ignore or not. 

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:17:15 PM   
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P.S. lmao, after reading your post above I'd bet dollars to donuts that he's one of the crazies that I have on block!

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:21:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, LadyA.  I don't think I need to be a licensed therapist to conclude there might be mental issues with someone who, at every possible opportunity, acts like a lunatic.

In the three years that I've been on these boards, there has been exactly twice that I have told people after reading comment after comment that they've made, that they give Me the impression that they do not have the mental capacity to be engaging in BDSM.  This goes very much along with the opinions that I hold regarding the legal age of consent.  There is a reason that people not fully capable of understanding wiitwd should not be involved.  Unlike age, with no real measuring stick, I'm sure it is impossible for the site to determine where that bar lies.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:24:49 PM   
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I am the only normal person on the site.


You're an asshole, but assholes are easier to deal with than crazy people.  At least you know you're being funny.  Or trying to be.  You make it there at least half the time.

Anyhow, I try not to stick my dick in the crazy.  If you do, I suggest a full body condom, bondage they can't chew their way out of for at least an hour after you leave, and a bag on their head.  No amount of hot fuck is worth the drama if the crazy follows you home.


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:30:22 PM   
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I agree, LadyA.  I don't think I need to be a licensed therapist to conclude there might be mental issues with someone who, at every possible opportunity, acts like a lunatic.


Actually we do have mental health professionals on board.  No really reliable dx can be made over the Internet, and nobody wants to post their resume here I imagine, but let's say that there has been sufficient anecdotal evidence for there to have been concern from that end.

It's still true that nobody is qualified or has the ethical business on an adult site (or any Internet site) determining who is and is not mentally competent.  That's not something CM is ethically or practically equipped to do.  Throwing someone off for being crazy isn't necessarily the answer, nor might it be in the best legal interests of CM. 


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:31:43 PM   
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I would say most of us here have no professional training in mental illness so we do nothing.


One does not need professional training in mental illness to be able to identify a reoccurring behaviour. To do something about is another issue all together. And I think that is what LNT is asking.

- LA


Yes one does don't be silly... Just report them as disruptive and let the site decide.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:33:02 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:37:42 PM   
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Actually we do have mental health professionals on board.  No really reliable dx can be made over the Internet, and nobody wants to post their resume here I imagine, but let's say that there has been sufficient anecdotal evidence for there to have been concern from that end.

It's still true that nobody is qualified or has the ethical business on an adult site (or any Internet site) determining who is and is not mentally competent.  That's not something CM is ethically or practically equipped to do.  Throwing someone off for being crazy isn't necessarily the answer, nor might it be in the best legal interests of CM. 


Yes, we do.  However, I'm not one of them.

I'm sure it is a great ethical and/or moral vrs potential legal ramification for the site to even pose the question.  Yet again, one of the very good reasons that I'm not one of the moderators around here.




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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:39:46 PM   
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I would say most of us here have no professional training in mental illness so we do nothing. Let the administrators decide if this person is a disruption to the site. They don't need to determine the sanity of anyone it is their choice when or when not to ban anyone.


That is an excellent point.  The individual in question isn't the kind of disturbed that leads to causing direct disruption so much as indirect disruption.  Few if any of his posts would actually violate the TOS of this site.  They are however so frequent and so outrageous, and so indicative of serious reality disconnect and mental/emotional disturbance, that he is in effect a big pink elephant in the room. 

It's hard (actually, pretty much impossible) to avoid having *somebody* start talking about the fact that he's a big pink elephant, and that's primarily what is causing most of the disruption and thread hijacking.  None of us really know what to do about it.  Some of us could hide/ignore his posts, but there will always be more people coming on board who haven't figured out that we have a big pink elephant and who will be shocked enough to respond and quote him, at least until someone else explains about the elephant problem. 

The issue is not that some of us have individual or personal disagreements with him, or that he is attacking people or starting arguments with them directly.  It's more of a constant barrage of crazy-talk that is going to be problematic whether the forum regulars who know about the issue put him on ignore or not. 


To me the mental condition or sanity of any poster is none of my business...If he or she is not disrupting the room then just overlook the posts...if they are then report them. I don't understand why you or anyone else should care otherwise.

I am not criticizing you for your concern but I think you are sticking your nose where it does not belong.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:43:07 PM   
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I am not criticizing you for your concern but I think you are sticking your nose where it does not belong.


This is a place where many of us come to post regularly and to ask such questions, if only to have a good reflection about our practices, is a good thing.

Ignorance is not always bliss.

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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:45:48 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:46:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
No amount of hot fuck is worth the drama if the crazy follows you home.



OMg can I steal this? You have no idea how many times Ive had to say something very similar to a certain someone in my life....


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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:47:18 PM   
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RE: Ethical response to a mentally disturbed individual... - 5/23/2010 12:47:49 PM   
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