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Louve00 -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 2:58:07 PM)

This topic has been discussed once in the thread "Tea party same as all the other parties".  Treasure, you give your opinion of what the Tea Party is all about in  post#16 here (at least, I'm assuming you are seeing it as your interpretation of who they are).  I would assume it is said to be or thought of as a party due to its very name.  I myself see them as a very malleable crowd of yes, angry folks.  My feelings are their way of expressing their anger has very negative connotations, which seems to lead to extremes.  But everyone has a point of view.

Here was cuckoldmepls: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3215452   (granted its not really a definition, but....)

And here was Owner59's :  http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3216770 




DomKen -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 3:15:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

What so many people seem to miss is that the Tea Party is...

wait for it...

a MOVEMENT

It is a set of ideologies.  A trend in thoughts and feelings.  It is not a unified organization with recognized leaders... though there are individuals and organizations with recognized leaders who claim to be a part of the movement.

A movement with big fancy buses?

[image]local://upfiles/36489/9DE7BACDB00F4660A1FD3287885B9AF5.jpg[/image]

Sure....




TreasureKY -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 4:23:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

This topic has been discussed once in the thread "Tea party same as all the other parties".  Treasure, you give your opinion of what the Tea Party is all about in  post#16 here (at least, I'm assuming you are seeing it as your interpretation of who they are).  I would assume it is said to be or thought of as a party due to its very name.  I myself see them as a very malleable crowd of yes, angry folks.  My feelings are their way of expressing their anger has very negative connotations, which seems to lead to extremes.  But everyone has a point of view.

Here was cuckoldmepls: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3215452   (granted its not really a definition, but....)

And here was Owner59's :  http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3216770 


Sorry, Louve... I don't read every thread here.  As for my definition, it's a little more complex than can be covered in two or three relatively short posts.

I can see how some would be confused by the name "Tea Party", particularly if they aren't terribly familiar with US history or have difficulties with subtleties.  

The sad thing is, while there have been a few bad eggs to join in, the majority of the individuals who have taken the time to publicly support the movement have done so in a very civilized manner.  If you don't agree with the general idea represented, you're likely to buy into the negative propaganda.

But just how do you see Tea Partiers expressing their anger?




TreasureKY -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 4:26:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

A movement with big fancy buses?


No.  A specific organization, the Tea Party Express, that has some fancy buses.

Try reading my original post again.




rulemylife -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 4:47:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

The tea party: a bowel movement.


I had tacos with habenaro sauce last night and I had a massive tea party this morning.




Louve00 -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 4:58:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

This topic has been discussed once in the thread "Tea party same as all the other parties".  Treasure, you give your opinion of what the Tea Party is all about in  post#16 here (at least, I'm assuming you are seeing it as your interpretation of who they are).  I would assume it is said to be or thought of as a party due to its very name.  I myself see them as a very malleable crowd of yes, angry folks.  My feelings are their way of expressing their anger has very negative connotations, which seems to lead to extremes.  But everyone has a point of view.

Here was cuckoldmepls: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3215452   (granted its not really a definition, but....)

And here was Owner59's :  http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3216770 


Sorry, Louve... I don't read every thread here.  As for my definition, it's a little more complex than can be covered in two or three relatively short posts.

I can see how some would be confused by the name "Tea Party", particularly if they aren't terribly familiar with US history or have difficulties with subtleties.  

The sad thing is, while there have been a few bad eggs to join in, the majority of the individuals who have taken the time to publicly support the movement have done so in a very civilized manner.  If you don't agree with the general idea represented, you're likely to buy into the negative propaganda.

But just how do you see Tea Partiers expressing their anger?



I think the picture that stands out in my mind is the one with a middle-aged to elderly woman, wearing a sun hat rimmed with tea bags lol...standing in a crowd of angry people protesting "no-taxes", and flailing anti-Obama signs (No Obamacare), and basically just ranting negatively.  Matter of fact, every televised event about the tea partiers (from Sarah Palin yellin her rants to crowds of folks, to either people painted, yelling,  or holding up anti-gov't, anti-taxes, anti-everything signs (from the way I see it).

From the very start, I'd say their movement doesn't even accurately depict the term they picked to represent themselves.  Its my understanding they named their movement after Boston Tea Party?  When I see the pictures on the news of the types of people in the movement, they do not seem to be the people who are the most heavily taxed in this nation (this is an assumption on my part, since they say the most heavily taxed are only two percent, even if you stretched that number to 5, I would think the numbers in attendance would be a stretch, too).  So they are protesting, or participating in a movement that does nothing to support their cause.  (Again, the way I feel about it)

As I said, I see them as very malleable people, who are easily molded, or talked into a thing.  And again, this is assumption, but they don't even sound like very bright people.

Now, I work with a fantastic, admirable group of people.  Some of them have attended tea parties and have come back saying nothing but good about them.  Talked about their motivation and all.  While motivation is good it can also be bad, too.  They may have some good people that associate with them as does all associations.  There are even good democrats and good republicans.  But, to me, they don't clearly represent or state anything that I can see (or maybe the media doesn't represent that?). Either way they haven't educated me enough or impressed me enough to want to take their cause up with them because I see it as unorganized and negative...and don't even know for certain what they are indeed angry about.




popeye1250 -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 5:04:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

What so many people seem to miss is that the Tea Party is...

wait for it...

a MOVEMENT

It is a set of ideologies.  A trend in thoughts and feelings.  It is not a unified organization with recognized leaders... though there are individuals and organizations with recognized leaders who claim to be a part of the movement.

A decent analogy would be the environmental movement.  The environmental movement is a set of beliefs, but there is no single organization and established leaders.  There is no "official" environmental movement... a concrete organization that one can contact to join or register with.

There are, however, clubs, websites, organizations, individuals, and companies who claim to be a part of the environmental movement... who label themselves "green".  They don't all agree, they don't all share the same vision, and their methods aren't all approved of by each other. 

So who officially represents the environmental movement?  Do the leaders of Greenpeace accept responsibility for the activities of EarthFirst?  Does the US Environmental Protection Agency take orders from the head of the Earth Liberation Front?

Do you see the issue now with why some individuals here get so frustrated when talk turns to the Tea Party movement?  It's infuriating when the media labels as its leader some idiot who gloms onto the Tea Party movement .

There is no leader.

You can't have a leader of a philosophy.

When are individuals going to stop trying to perpetuate the false notion that the Tea Party is an actual organization with recognized leaders?

It may be someday, but it isn't right now.




Treasure, that's pretty much what I get out of it. But, I'm not a political scholer.
When they first came out I thought they were an anti-abortion group or something, I didn't really pay attention too much. But they were instrumental in Scott Brown's win in Mass.
I don't think that anyone can argue that they are not a force to be recconned with as they're spreading all across the country.
I think it's a good thing when people get *angry* about the govt! It means that they're paying attention! And it looks like they're getting a whole bunch of other people to pay attention too and for that, good on them!
I've said for a long time on CM that our govt. wasn't *listening* to The People! Well it appears that The People are going to *make* them listen in November when we absolutely ***Dismantle*** the house and the senate and send all those Quisling Democrats packing off to cum-bay-ah land!
And there's RINO Republicans that need to go too! This will be an "equal opportunity slaughter." "GET THE FUCK OUT!!!" "NOW, YOU FUCKIN" SCUMBAGS!"
Lol, man, there's going to be hundreds maybe thousands of moving vans in Washington in Jan.




Musicmystery -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 5:15:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Opposed to what? They no positions beyond "We're angry."

On what planet is that not enough, Muse?

Are you following the conversation, Rich?

Decide which direction you want to spin and stick with it for a post or two.

You make Kerry look like Plymouth Rock.




TreasureKY -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 5:36:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

I think the picture that stands out in my mind is the one with a middle-aged to elderly woman, wearing a sun hat rimmed with tea bags lol...standing in a crowd of angry people protesting "no-taxes", and flailing anti-Obama signs (No Obamacare), and basically just ranting negatively.  Matter of fact, every televised event about the tea partiers (from Sarah Palin yellin her rants to crowds of folks, to either people painted, yelling,  or holding up anti-gov't, anti-taxes, anti-everything signs (from the way I see it).


I can understand that, but you do realize that the media always looks for and publishes the most sensational tidbits they can find, right?  Sensationalism sells, and making money is what the media is in business for. 

Think about it.  You say yourself that admirable people you work with have actually gone to tea parties and have nothing but good to say about them.  Are your co-workers and the media going to the same places?  Don't you think it's possible that the media is just picking out the few nuts and flakes to report on because it makes for interesting news?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

From the very start, I'd say their movement doesn't even accurately depict the term they picked to represent themselves.  Its my understanding they named their movement after Boston Tea Party?  When I see the pictures on the news of the types of people in the movement, they do not seem to be the people who are the most heavily taxed in this nation (this is an assumption on my part, since they say the most heavily taxed are only two percent, even if you stretched that number to 5, I would think the numbers in attendance would be a stretch, too).  So they are protesting, or participating in a movement that does nothing to support their cause.  (Again, the way I feel about it)


I'm afraid it sounds as if you don't have a very good grasp on the Boston Tea Party.  I included a link with my post above to some brief history of the subject, however, here's the portion relevant to your comment...
Victory in the French and Indian War was costly for the British. At the war's conclusion in 1763, King George III and his government looked to taxing the American colonies as a way of recouping their war costs. They were also looking for ways to reestablish control over the colonial governments that had become increasingly independent while the Crown was distracted by the war...

The colonies refused to pay the levies required by the Townsend Acts claiming they had no obligation to pay taxes imposed by a Parliament in which they had no representation. In response, Parliament retracted the taxes with the exception of a duty on tea - a demonstration of Parliament's ability and right to tax the colonies. In May of 1773 Parliament concocted a clever plan. They gave the struggling East India Company a monopoly on the importation of tea to America. Additionally, Parliament reduced the duty the colonies would have to pay for the imported tea. The Americans would now get their tea at a cheaper price than ever before. However, if the colonies paid the duty tax on the imported tea they would be acknowledging Parliament's right to tax them. Tea was a staple of colonial life - it was assumed that the colonists would rather pay the tax than deny themselves the pleasure of a cup of tea.
In other words, it wasn't just the most heavily taxed individuals who rebelled.  It wasn't about how much tax they were asked to pay.  It was about England's right to tax them at all without allowing them to have a say in the government that was imposing laws onto them.

That is very much what angers the Tea Partiers today.  They feel there's a bunch of self-serving people in Washington who aren't listening to the majority of their constituents anymore. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

As I said, I see them as very malleable people, who are easily molded, or talked into a thing.  And again, this is assumption, but they don't even sound like very bright people.


While I'm sure there's people like that who support the movement, I think if you joined your co-workers in attending a tea party or two, you might come away with a different impression.





TreasureKY -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 5:45:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I think it's a good thing when people get *angry* about the govt! It means that they're paying attention! And it looks like they're getting a whole bunch of other people to pay attention too and for that, good on them!


Righteous indignation is what I'd call their anger, and yes... good on them.  [;)]

If nothing else, it might get a few of the bureaucrats and career politicians in DC to stop and take notice.  But I'm hoping for a good house-cleaning come November.




Louve00 -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 6:06:40 PM)

Maybeso.  I am the first to admit I will change my thought and my favor, depending on the cause.  I may not have a good grasp on the Boston Tea Party.  History was never my thing, but I thought it was about us refusing the high tax of tea, causing a revolt, the tea to go overboard and the Boston Tea Party was what the event was named. I can understand a person against high taxes.  But I do understand the reason for taxes.  My taxes do not break me.  In fact, I get a refund every year.   

I do agree that alot of people in Washington aren't listening.  But dumping tea bags on the White House lawn does little for credibility.  When met with anger some people may be intimidated.  When I am met with anger, I usually feel obstinance, and sometimes curiosity.  And yes, the media will take the worst of situations and exploit them.  But who gave them the situations to exploit? I personally can't relate to violent anger.




servantforuse -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 6:16:08 PM)

You get a refund ? Not hardly. They are just giving you 'your' own money back at the end of each year. Money that they have been earning interest on all year long. Money you could be earning interest on.




kittinSol -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 6:19:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

The tea party: a bowel movement.


I had tacos with habenaro sauce last night and I had a massive tea party this morning.



Perfect for the OP's constipation [8D].

The tea party, a "movement" rofl!!! Everyone with an iota of curiousity knows that the people behind the tea party are the very same lobbyists and corporate backers that the hot beverage lovers claim to despise so much. And now we have to listen to these "but it's a legitimate popular movement!" whines. 

The joke's on you, OP [:)] .  





TreasureKY -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 6:28:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Maybeso.  I am the first to admit I will change my thought and my favor, depending on the cause.  I may not have a good grasp on the Boston Tea Party.  History was never my thing, but I thought it was about us refusing the high tax of tea, causing a revolt, the tea to go overboard and the Boston Tea Party was what the event was named. I can understand a person against high taxes.  But I do understand the reason for taxes.  My taxes do not break me.  In fact, I get a refund every year.  


Again, it wasn't a demonstration against paying taxes... it was a demonstration against paying taxes to a government where the colonists' had no voice or representation.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

I do agree that alot of people in Washington aren't listening.  But dumping tea bags on the White House lawn does little for credibility.  When met with anger some people may be intimidated.  When I am met with anger, I usually feel obstinance, and sometimes curiosity. 


The aborted plan to dump tea bags in Lafayette Park (which by the way was canceled because the protesters didn't have the right permit and didn't want to break the law) was to have been an act of defiance.  One to evoke the memory of the Boston Tea Party and remind our leaders that we will not tolerate taxation without representation.

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

And yes, the media will take the worst of situations and exploit them.  But who gave them the situations to exploit? I personally can't relate to violent anger.


I don't relate to violence, either, and I agree... there have been some idiots present at the rallies that the media have highlighted.  But to blame the Tea Partiers for having an open rally in the first place?  Do you deny an activity to the responsible majority just because a few can't behave themselves?




TreasureKY -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 6:31:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Perfect for the OP's constipation [8D].


Really, kittin... what's with this preoccupation you have with feces?  If you have a fetish for scat, I suggest you take it to one of the other forums.  This one is for discussion about politics and religion.




servantforuse -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 6:36:18 PM)

If you want to talk about violent political groups, lets talk about Obama's friend William Ayers. He liked to set off bombs and kill police officers. And some of you are worried about a granny with a teabag on her hat..




Louve00 -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 7:06:18 PM)

I don't deny an activity to the responsible majority just because a few can't behave themselves.  But there are still questions left unanswered about this organization.  If an appointed leader is not supposed to happen, then who is the responsible majority...or the central core for that matter.  Who is the "gov't", so to speak of this group?  I mean, everything aside, no gov't = anarchy.  Anarchy = revolt = much violence.  If we are to take it as Rand Paul, who has so boldy spoke out for this movement, then I see it as a step backwards.  If we aren't to believe its him, then why is there such secrecy of just who it is...unless it is just a branch off the right (and an extreme one).  Again, so much is unanswered about this movement.  To clump it all into a tax revolt is not quite good enough for me, since we've been paying taxes since the start of this country, and now, with the billions and billions we just gave to Wall St...and the many other costful things going on...taxes are the revenue we need.  So no, I'm not against taxing, as I've said before...and no where near the bracket that does have justification to squawk.  I just don't think this party...or movement is for me.  Maybe, if they'd educate me in more than just denying taxes and gov't, I'd change my mind.  Maybe if this movement was a benefit to me, in any way, I'd think differently.




kittinSol -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 7:17:15 PM)

The angry hords that populate the "movement" are having their strings pulled by a few master puppeteers hungry to reclaim the power they feel they have lost - and complacently, the self-righteous crowds shout and rant against government spending. But where were they when the previous administration dug the hole we're now in, hmmm? They were waving little flags and clamouring for spending yet more dough in Iraq.

It's a fucking joke, and the OP's whines won't convince anyone but those that either know what the tea party is really about (ie. a politically masterminded farce), or those that are naive enough to have joined the ranks of the true believers.




TreasureKY -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 7:22:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

The angry hords that populate the "movement" are having their strings pulled by a few master puppeteers hungry to reclaim the power they feel they have lost ...


Joined the ranks of the conspiracy nuts, I see.  You might check around the forum here... somebody posted a pretty good set of instructions for creating a tin-foil hat. 




Musicmystery -> RE: Tea Party Misconceptions... (5/23/2010 7:29:10 PM)

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I'm afraid it sounds as if you don't have a very good grasp on the Boston Tea Party.


If you're going to patronize posters--sounds like you don't either.

The protest was in response to the Tea Act, of which the tax was a minor part of the real reason, a British monopoly on the tea trade.

In short, corporate interests were at play.

Of course, "taxation without representation" sounds cooler, but there had been taxes for several decades. That wasn't the issue that sparked the rebellion.





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