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Silence8 -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/26/2010 11:39:34 PM)

SocratesNot is right here, you know?




sunshinemiss -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/26/2010 11:42:58 PM)

Hello SN -
Well, I must say you are much more polite than Silence. I appreciate that.

The other half of "why" is "because" which is clearly in my theory. May I suggest a few books:

The Social Animal, Elliot Aaronson
The Virtue of Selfishness, Ayn Rand
Theory and Practice of Group Therapy, Irv Yalom
Illusions, Richard Bach
The Little Zen Companion, David Schiller

While I am *able* to write a dissertation, I'm not interested in doing so. The above books are easy reading and therefore accessible to most everyone. More "scholarly" books can be dreadfully dry, full of tables and statistics. That can be boring to the average reader.

I am in the midst of writing 3 scholarly papers. (*Just got notification that one is being published YAY! I get to keep my job next year!) Now if you want to give me a $5000 bonus for writing this particular dissertation, I'll gladly do it. Beyond that? I enjoy a certain repartee, intellectual discussion... But scholarly? No thanks - I have an outlet for that, and I get a big monetary bonus for it. On CM, I prefer to laugh and enjoy my discussions for the social connection of them.

Best,
sunshine




Silence8 -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/26/2010 11:51:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Hello SN -
Well, I must say you are much more polite than Silence. I appreciate that.

The other half of "why" is "because" which is clearly in my theory. May I suggest a few books:

The Social Animal, Elliot Aaronson
The Virtue of Selfishness, Ayn Rand
Theory and Practice of Group Therapy, Irv Yalom
Illusions, Richard Bach
The Little Zen Companion, David Schiller

While I am *able* to write a dissertation, I'm not interested in doing so. The above books are easy reading and therefore accessible to most everyone. More "scholarly" books can be dreadfully dry, full of tables and statistics. That can be boring to the average reader.

I am in the midst of writing 3 scholarly papers. (*Just got notification that one is being published YAY! I get to keep my job next year!) Now if you want to give me a $5000 bonus for writing this particular dissertation, I'll gladly do it. Beyond that? I enjoy a certain repartee, intellectual discussion... But scholarly? No thanks - I have an outlet for that, and I get a big monetary bonus for it. On CM, I prefer to laugh and enjoy my discussions for the social connection of them.

Best,
sunshine



Holy Christ on a stick.

Ayn Rand AND Zen? The rumors are true! Zen really is the new opium for the masses!

Socrates, trust me, if you want to understand the extent to which academia has fallen into decay, I'd recommend, instead of this shit, read anything by Slavoj Zizek. Also, google search this fellow -- he'll tell you the truth about power, corruption, philosophy, and psychology -- he'll even explain decaffeinated thinkers like, well,------ His lectures are hilarious, and he uses great examples to explain complicated phenomena; he's known as the Elvis of Cultural Theory.







Silence8 -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/26/2010 11:52:59 PM)

And you notice how condescending all this is?!?!?!?!?

'I'm here just for fun. If you want me actually to think, money has to be involved.'




VideoAdminZeta -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/26/2010 11:53:53 PM)

Silence8, read your mail.




SocratesNot -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 12:00:04 AM)

Yes it is really sad that people want to exercise their mental capacities only for monetary gain.
When it comes to Slavoj Žižek, I'll take your advice. He is very well known and importatn Slovenian philosopher. Slovenia, Bosnia, we are even neighbors and we were from 1918 to 1991 in the same country.

And to sunshine, when ti comes to your "because" part of the theory, it doesn't contain any real because. You state that people do it because they feel like it. Which is absolutely obvious and does not contain any information whatsoever beyond that.
. The real why and because of this theory would be - why they feel like it - they feel like it because ____
That's what your theory lacks.




WyldHrt -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 12:07:59 AM)

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I am extremely honest. I am even that honest that I honestly express my desire for lying.
You should also know that there are many very skillful and intelligent liars and people believed them
even if they never experienced types of things that they lied about.
I don't approve of lying I'm just telling you the possibilities.
It's too easy to judge and criticize young people for their lack of experience and their age.

Dude. In your supposedly exhaustive research of this site, you missed a few things. While some folks will fall for lies initially (mostly new members who are called 'fresh meat' for a reason), most of us can spot someone full of shit by cmail #2.
I have no idea why you desire to lie, esp given your apparent lack of skill at it. I will leave why lying to a potential partner is just plain stupid to someone with more patience.

As to you telling me the 'possibilities' [8|]
I spent 3 years working full time with a dedicated group that fights professional internet scammers. I can tell you just about every way they suck their victims in, how they play any given game, and how the money is laundered. I can cite chapter and verse on the intricacies of those that lie for a living and make it pay.
You have (once again) presumed, and were (once again) wrong.
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It's too easy to judge and criticize young people for their lack of experience and their age.

Nice whine, but it doesn't play out. We have respected members in their early 20s, respected newbies in their 40s/50s, a crapload of respected folks in between... and asshats of assorted ages. The latter tend to blame their age, inexperience, or both for the fact that they are not taken seriously. It never seems to occur to them that they are simply being hoist on their own petard, and the responses they don't like were prompted by their own uneducated blathering.





Silence8 -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 12:10:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Yes it is really sad that people want to exercise their mental capacities only for monetary gain.
When it comes to Slavoj Žižek, I'll take your advice. He is very well known and importatn Slovenian philosopher. Slovenia, Bosnia, we are even neighbors and we were from 1918 to 1991 in the same country.



Oh, that didn't even occur to me -- I just think he's exactly what Sunshine describes, without the parts I don't like -- he's funny and intellectual, not either/ or -- he's also proof that philosophy 'works', that philosophy can radically alter the way you understand world dynamics, that it really isn't pretentious nonsense (even though many philosophers fall into this trap).




reynardfox -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 12:16:20 AM)

A very thoughtful thesis, you just got your degree in BDSM, somone should draw you a scroll. You are hereby awarded the BA, the beautiful ass (volunteer step forward)




SocratesNot -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 12:20:21 AM)

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You have (once again) presumed, and were (once again) wrong.


So what, does it get you off, me being wrong?

Also, most of people  here, including newcomers are pretty much comfortable with what they are and with most aspects of BDSM.
They don't cause any controversy, that's why they are respected. Or they are already in a relationship, which makes them less interested about other relationships
because they are focused on their own.
The fact that I am not and that I have had many real objections which I stated boldly, simply makes me an easier target for criticism.
If I wanted to stay respected, I would be able to do so. But this wasn't my aim. My aim was challenging things, learning and understanding.
I have yet to decide for myself will I pursue BDSM at all or not.
Also I don't have much hopes about fining actual partner over CM (at least not yet), so my image on forum is not of that importance to me.





WyldHrt -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 12:39:11 AM)

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So what, does it get you off, me being wrong?

Hardly. Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around you. I was simply hoping that smacking you with a trout might wake you up to that fact. My bad.
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Also, most of people  here, including newcomers are pretty much comfortable with what they are and with most aspects of BDSM.

And you know this.... how? Obviously, you haven't read many of the threads started by new folks on these boards.
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They don't cause any controversy, that's why they are respected. Or they are already in a relationship, which makes them less interested about other relationships
because they are focused on their own.

Yet another incorrect assumption.
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The fact that I am not and that I have had many real objections which I stated boldly, simply makes me an easier target for criticism.

You still don't get it, and I won't plow that ground again. You have been told many times exactly why your posts and threads are often offensive, yet you continue in the same vein. Tilting at windmills isn't my style.
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If I wanted to stay respected, I would be able to do so. But this wasn't my aim. My aim was challenging things, learning and understanding.

You have to be respected before you can stay respected, just saying.
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I have yet to decide for myself will I pursue BDSM at all or not.

If asked, I would say 'not'- at least until you can shelve you ego, read what others who know what they are talking about are actually saying, and actually learn something that doesn't fit into one of your little boxes.
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Also I don't have much hopes about fining actual partner over CM (at least not yet), so my image on forum is not of that importance to me.

Kewlio. If you don't mind the fact that you have largely shot yourself in the foot when it comes to meeting someone here, it's all good.




SocratesNot -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 12:49:33 AM)

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Kewlio. If you don't mind the fact that you have largely shot yourself in the foot when it comes to meeting someone here, it's all good.


You think it's that hard to just make completely new profile?




mugwump -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 1:05:51 AM)

SN, I fnd it really curious that all of your energies seem to be directed at picking us all apart 'til we're little more than a bunch of threads.
A good chunk of people here are more than capable of turning the mirror on themselves and breaking down what they see into the component parts, but we choose not to - if it ain't broke and all that, eh?
I'm not doing down your age or enthusiasm, I just think you need to stop standing on the ramparts shouting out proclamations at us, at least until you've had a go at these kinky shenanigans :P 
It's great that you're interested, but I'd suggest taking off your analytical hat and just getting to know the forums and the people in them as people first and foremost.

Have a good one :)
x




WyldHrt -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 1:09:09 AM)

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You think it's that hard to just make completely new profile?

Nope. That said, hiding your posts by becoming a 'new' person is pretty fucked up in a lifestyle that thrives on honesty between partners; and the fact that you jumped on it so readily speaks volumes about you.

I'm out for tonight, nighters all.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 1:16:20 AM)

I have a theory that Chronic Mental Masterbation is not fetish...Along with eating Gallons of Ice Cream really fast while spinning around in circles.

Dude this is a Needled thread.




sunshinemiss -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 1:18:49 AM)

If I ever get this beligerent and mean spirited and condescending, please somebody promise to tell me.

Thank you.




allthatjaz -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 3:04:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot


And finally, the most mysterious part - the formation process of a female dominant.
Society never demanded of women to be dominant, so it is somewhat tricky to explain their dominance.



Its not mysterious at all. Forget what society demanded and get back to anamalistic instincts. I have studied animal psychology and in both herding animals and pack animals, we will always find alpha females.
Lets take horses as an example. If you asked most people who leads a herd of horses, most would answer 'the stallion' but they would be wrong because amongst his harem of mares there will be an 'alpha female' She is the one who decides who is allowed to breed, eat, drink from the waterhole. She is the one that runs at the front of the herd. The stallion may guard his females but he relies very much on the alpha female for the stability of the herd.
If this applies to every herd and pack animal, why would it not apply to us? From an early age females group as friends and there will very often be a leader within that group. Every female here will tell you that they have seen female leadership from an early age.



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In my opinion of all the groups mentioned, female dominants which are natural alpha women, along with natural
alpha men
are least insecure. It is possible that they were quite successful in their youth and very beautiful as well.



I can't agree with this. Many 'Alpha' types were bullies as children. They became leaders because they were naturally alpha but alpha creates a lot of stressful responsibility. The trouble with being a leader (no matter how natural) is your constantly under threat from other alpha people.

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After dissatisfaction with several such power relationships, the dominant woman decided to take the things in her own
hands. So she used her assertiveness and sexuality to seduce more submissive types of men, and of course she was
successful. So they probably formed very successful, female led, but still vanilla relationship in which she was treated
like a goddess, and he also enjoyed the relationship with such a powerful woman very much. Many naturally dominant
women never actually proceed to real D/s or BDSM.


I can relate to this up to a point. I was always the alpha woman within my vanilla relationships. The trouble with having an 'omega' partner is, I carried all the stress and I never had an equal. To always be in charge and run the entire show can be hugely stressful. I needed to find this lifestyle to find a submissive that was not 'omega type'.


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female dominants are quite rare, and it is even possible that they are more present in the world of vanilla then in BDSM.


This I do agree with.


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The third type are insecure dommes.
In order to feel satisfied with themselves and
to avoid feeling of inferiority, they simply need to dominate men, usually strong alpha men. It's a challenge for them. The
more manly man they dominate, the greater is their accomplishment and the less insecure they will feel. Such dommes are
usually more cruel then natural alpha women that I previously described, because they are attracted to partners that are
not naturally so submissive. So they need to break them. In breaking them they can be very cruel. They also usually demand
strict obedience, observance of rituals and even worship, because if they lack it, their feelings of insecurity or inferiority return.



Ok, you have just described me to a point but I would need to correct a few things. Yes, I like the 'alpha sub' and yes, I can be cruel but I don't see an alpha sub as not naturally submissive. An alpha sub is just more particular, more in tune with his submission and less likely to give it away on a whim to anyone who calls herself a Domme. When an alpha sub submits its amazing for both the Domme and for him.
Why would I break something I enjoy? why would I possibly want to dominate someone who is not submissive?

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Insecure dominants would probably be bullies in vanilla relationships.


and so would subs


It was an interesting post. Some I agreed with and other bits I didn't. I read some of me in the insecure Domme and some of me in the Alpha Domme.







SocratesNot -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 6:27:51 AM)

Allthatjaz, I am really impressed by your honesty and by your real attempt to understanf my theory and to relato to this, even if you don't agree with some points.
Dear God, that's the only thing that I expected from other people too. To constructively say their opinions about the theory and to honestly discuss it. Of all these posters you are the only one who really did this. I congratulate you!





SocratesNot -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 6:37:40 AM)

Guys, I want to tell you something.
I adore constructive criticism. This is the criticism of some parts of the theory by directly addressing them and criticizing the things that you don't agree with.
This can be a basis for a very successful discussion.

And probably I would never be offended nor would I ever start being defensive, even if you disagreed 100% with what I said.

The thing that bothers me, and would bother most of other people is calling my theory : blowing donkey ass, pompous pontification, mental masturbation, pile of stuff etc.
Even this is not very bad. You are entitled to strong opinions about my theory.
But this doesn't stop there. People continue by attacking me personally based on my age, lack of experience, calling me "asshole" etc.

Again, I am not easily offended, but this bothers me and annoys me because it destroys the chances of good debate and intelligent discussion on this or any other thread.
We don't need fighting. Whoever honestly told me about wrong points in my theory I accepted their opinion and I said this was the weak point of the theory indeed and that it needs to be changed, etc.




Jeffff -> RE: An interesting theory of D/s (my own) (5/27/2010 6:42:14 AM)

Want a hug?




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