Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion



Message

SocratesNot -> Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 5:23:53 PM)

My theory about D/s is partially flawed because, among other things, it does not include natural submissives.
Jeff explained me that Carol has a naturally submissive personality and looks at the entire world submissively.
Also he expressed his strong desire to OWN a female.
I understand that I can't actually understand how deep these feelings and relationships can be.
But I believe that they can be very deep and fulfilling.
Being someone's property can induce beautiful feelings of being needed, loved and cherished, being taken care about, and
controlled. Also it can induce pleasures of actually pleasing the Master and feeling great about yourself because you are perfect
for your master. Also, there are feelings of belonging.

Most of what I wrote is based on Jeff's description of Carol and my understanding of it.

However, another poster, namely WinsomeDefience, whom I considered to be a natural submissive, and who is
actually a switch, told me about her "visceral experience and weeping" when she was told that she will not be called by her name anymore.

She actually said this:

quote:

I wept when I was told I would no longer be called Charlote, and was given a new name. Not a boohoo is me weeping, but a soul wrenching, heartbroken expression of my perceived loss of identity. I hated the name and the very concept of being renamed. Before I experienced the unexpected visceral reaction, I would have scoffed at anyone who said they cried over something so "silly."


I also have a visceral and not positive reaction about this.
I would like to ask some questions about TPE.

I also have a visceral reaction about words "slave" and "property".
D/s is OK, being someone submissive is OK, kinky scenes are OK, hard beatings are OK as long as there is no permanent harm.

But, can someone honestly tell me, can being a literal "slave" and "property" without personal identity actually be healthy for anyone?
I am not concerned about physical aspects of this, because in many TPE relationships there isn't very much sadomasochistic elements at all.
What worries me are psychological risks of that.

The word "slave", no matter how erotic it can be, is an ugly word for me. It has so many negative connotations, that I can not like it.
The same thing I feel about the word "property".
When something is your property you have all the rights to use it and abuse it in any ways, and also to destroy it.
Using the word "property" to describe a human being does not feel good for me.

But the words are not important. What is important are the feelings of mutual fulfillment that Masters and slaves have in such relationships.

I am mainly talking about maledom relationships now, but some things can apply to femdom relationships as well.
That being said LNT said, that she is SURE that her primary submissive partner would kill himself if she wanted this.
Can it be in any way healthy? She said that being loyal to her is more important to her partner than being alive.
Really, can this be healthy?
People keep telling me that slaves have no issues with self esteem whatsoever, or even if they have it, not more than anyone else.
However, I am really puzzled with someone being willing to takes his life in order to please the Domme. If he values his life so little, how can he value himself?
My logic tells me that such person actually values himself and his entire life less than just one aspect of the Domme, and this is her pleasure.
For him it is better to be dead and have pleased Mistress, than to be alive, both he and his Mistress, while she is not so pleased.

But still, if someone is really a slave, internally enslaved, owned and deprived of personal identity, how dependent she becomes on her Master?
What happens if Master dies? This is very likely to happen for two reasons:
first, women live longer
second, Master is usually quite older than slave.

I have read the thread about a woman unable to orgasm on her own after leaving M/s relationship, because she needed permission.
When the Master release her or dies, how much of personal strength, power, identity and ability to cope has really remained in slave?
In my opinion the biggest problem with internal enslavement is that slaves become too dependent on their masters.
So if Master owns WHOLE slave (which Jeff said that this is his goal) how much of her being is left to her?
Would her life have any sense at all if the Master died or left her?

I tend to believe that in order to be healthy every person must have some personal strength within.
That's why I am extremely afraid of relationships such as TPE or internal enslavement, despite all of its positive sides.
Could someone enlighten me about this very hard topic?

I really DON'T KNOW THE FUCK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS SO DON'T BE OFFENDED BY THE QUESTIONS OF THIS IGNORANT ASSHOLE.
Instead if someone is willing to REALLY enlighten me I would appreciate it very, very, very much.



LadyAngelika -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 5:27:00 PM)

Stop posting. Start reading.

- LA



SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 5:36:14 PM)

quote:

Stop posting. Start reading.

- LA


It helped a lot. Thank you.

(BTW, it seems like non-consensual domination, giving orders I mean [:D][:D][:D] )



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:13:48 PM)

o.0

Wow, not sure in all my years of posting here that I've been referenced in an original post before. It is kind of disconcerting.

First, I would like to point out that my Topping really has no inherent conflict with my submissive nature. I have never made any claims to being a dominant personality. I can be, however, quite a sadistic bitch who achieves immense pleasure from doing mean nasty things to those who enjoy being tortured. I learned this about myself, while submitting to my dominant partner who really got off on seeing me work my magic.

As for the rest, all I can tell you is I personally sucked at being a slave. I think you chose a poor example, to base your post on. In all honesty, there are some fabulously wonderful slaves on these forums, who would have been a better reference for you.

WinD



Aileen1968 -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:18:12 PM)

You think too much.... just enjoy. It really is that simple.



WyldHrt -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:40:09 PM)

Dude. Internal enslavement and TPE are not the same thing. Please at least make an effort to learn what lifestyle terms mean before you start throwing them about. [8|]



kyraofMists -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:41:15 PM)

First, being internally enslaved does NOT equate to being deprived of my personal identity. I am internally enslaved because my indentity is so entertwined in doing his will.

Second, being internally enslaved does not mean that I am too dependent on him. We are interdependent in our relationship and dependence is strongly discouraged.

Third, my relationship seeks to enhance "personal strength, power, identity and ability to cope" in all of us, there are three in our relationship. We encourage each other to be who we are; this brings long-term fulfillment and enhanced well-being.

These assumptions do not fit into my relationship. Our relationship rarely fits into the negative assumptions that are regularly made regarding M/s relationships.

Knight's Kyra



porcelaine -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:42:41 PM)

SocratesNot,

I'm sorry you have such a negative opinion about Internal Enslavement and Owner/property relationships. I invite you to read the correct description of Internal Enslavement and what relationships of that nature may encompass.

Internal Enslavement

Please educate yourself before making grotesque leaps in judgment. There are quite a few people on this site that have real life experience in the dynamics you're deriding. You can also utilize the search feature to find recent discussions on this subject.

~porcelaine



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:50:30 PM)

Damn, I feel kind of responsible for inadvertantly putting out some kind of misconception of slavery or something.

Yes, I wept. I agonized over surrending my perceived identity. It was hard for me. But, that doesn't mean it was a bad experience as a whole. While I failed miserably at being a slave, I learned a great deal about myself. I have a very positive and affectionate relationship with the man who was once my former Master. I met my best friend during all this. She too was a slave in the household. I carry that friendship and sisterhood with me, years later.

I can honestly say that beign a slave was not a bad experience, as a whole. Just parts of it sucked for me. Truthfully, it was the parts that sucked, the parts that I anguished over, that I found the most inner growth and enlightenment from.



SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:54:33 PM)

I am not deriding anything and I have read already many things on this site, yet I still don't understand many things. There is a lot of contradiction in all of it.
How is it possible to be a literal slave, property, and independent at the same time? This is an oxymoron.
And there are many other oxymorons. The thing that I don't understand has nothing to do with me having intent to offend someone.
And this is of course not my intent.
The person being unable to orgasm after the relationship has ended doesn't seem very healthy to me, let alone independent.
Please don't avoid answering questions. I am really interested in all these things. And all the articles on the site can't tell me the things that people can tell me from their own experience, and when I ask some questions.

Actually, the enslavement website in the FAQ states actually that the decision to become slaves is the last independent decision in the life of an internaly  enslaved slave.
I will quote it:
quote:

Isn't consensual non-consent a contradiction in terms?   Not really, since it means giving legally valid consent to start the process of enslavement, in the knowledge that the process will remove the ability to withdraw consent in the future.






kyraofMists -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:58:26 PM)

Why is it necessary to be independent within a relationship?

On edit - CNC is not a term that I use. I don't care for the term at all.



barelynangel -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 6:59:33 PM)

i don't get why this thread was moved to PORS.  Its to me legitimate questions many people have no clue about or is it the OP people are moving to PORS no matter how legit a D/s question it is?  I don't ever remember internal enslavement threads getting moved to PORS no matter how they were presented.

OP, you have asked questions people have asked from the beginning of time.  I am sorry its gotten moved to this section because i don't think many people "get" it.   However, I don't get your subject line.   Based on your op here, you really don't want to know what its about, which is okay.  However, let's be clear about something -  slave and slavery and even internal enslavement has NOTHING to do with how naturally submissive someone is.  I am not remotely submissive in nature however, i was a slave of a Man for 8+ years.  Many people make this misconseption that slavery is the uberness of being a submissive.  You have all types of women who become slaves -- dominant personalities, submissive personalities, and in between.  Slave is a reactionary concept TO something usually the authority of mastery.  Not everyone is capable of being a slave and not everyone is capable of owning a woman in the true sense of the word.  

I agree with what someone else has said -- you need to stop talking and start listening.  This is not a dig, but when you don't get something trying to talk yourself through when you are existing in ignorance will only confuse you more or have you making uninformed conclusions because of your ignorance.  Do you want to understand or are you just too caught up in your own definitions and likes and dislikes to really obtain any understanding of this.

The question i think you should ask yourself is why do you care?  Are you trying to understand the concept of internal enslavement or are you trying to prove it isn't possible?

But the first thing you need to understand is how submissive someone is has no bearing on whether or not someone can be internally enslaved.  Internal enslavement and TPE *which i believe is total power EXCHANGE* aren't actually the same thing.  One can be internally enslave and there was never an exchange but instead was someone actually taking someone's autonomy and self-determination through mastery of them. 

grins, here's something else for you to chew on, it happened to me and many women who are actually mastered and enslaved thereby being slaves due to their lack of autonomy and their lives exist within a Man's and they strive to meet and maintain HIS standards and expectations...there comes a time in many slave's lives within the mastery of her Master where she becomes powerful.  Its a surge of power.  There is also a saying within the Gorean concept that many misunderstand but its the pride of a slave girl is the pride of a girl who know no other woman is the equal of herself.   Slaves are actually very selfish creatures, if a Man is incapable of feeding her needs which start with her need for his mastery, she will not stick around to humor him. 

Slaves and Masters come in all different concepts and needs, however, you really need to ask yourself if you NEED to know these answers because you won't like most of them and because of your preconceived ideas, yo won't likely understand them. 

In the end, for the slavery i know which is probably very close to the concept of internal enslavement which again is not the same as TPE, a lot of my existance as a slave dealt with my value versus his cost in keeping me.  As long as the value remained above the cost, i was doing alright.  However, if it dropped then it was time for him to reevaluate whether i was worth the trouble he would have to expell to correct the situation and adjust the atmosphere and environment he kept me in to have me reaching and maintaining his expectations and standards.  Being kept by him and held in his mastery gave me a power people won't understand unless its experienced because people are observing the actions instead of the actuality of being on many levels.

I personally do not agree with many things on that internal enslavement site.  I do not and never have thought the concept of being a slave is the choice of the woman's but instead is the determination of a Man to master her and he determines she is his slave and she exists in his life by striving to reach and maintain his expectations and standards because his mastery allows nothing else.

angel



CaringandReal -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 7:19:44 PM)

quote:

I am mainly talking about maledom relationships now, but some things can apply to femdom relationships as well.
That being said LNT said, that she is SURE that her primary submissive partner would kill himself if she wanted this.
Can it be in any way healthy? She said that being loyal to her is more important to her partner than being alive.
Really, can this be healthy?


What a lot of questions! Too many for me to answer at one time. But this one is easy, so I'll do it now. Politics, countries, movements of all kinds, ideals, religions, cults, ideals, cities, states, justice, civil rights, even other people (in the case of bodyguards): people have given their lives for these things since time out of mind. Why shouldn't someone wish to give their life for the man or the woman that they worship? Parents (and even strangers) will often give up their lives to save an endangered child. The urge to sacrifice for something better than oneself is a very natural and human urge. All that's left to aruge about are the objects. For those who believe in an afterlife, the cost may not seem personally high. Those of us who have lived a full life and achieved our dreams often feel similarly.

For those slaves who define themselves by their love of sacrifice, Thanatos's allure strongly rivals that of Eros.


---------------------------

A suggestion for how to find an answer to this general set of questions: watch those of us who have lived fully as slaves for many years or are living as such now. Through such observation you should be able to decide for yourself whether it is healthy or not.



Wolf2Bear -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 7:50:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

I tend to believe that in order to be healthy every person must have some personal strength within.
That's why I am extremely afraid of relationships such as TPE or internal enslavement, despite all of its positive sides.
Could someone enlighten me about this very hard topic?

I really DON'T KNOW THE FUCK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS SO DON'T BE OFFENDED BY THE QUESTIONS OF THIS IGNORANT ASSHOLE.
Instead if someone is willing to REALLY enlighten me I would appreciate it very, very, very much.



Having been down that road myself, here's how I see it. I had entered in a Master/slave relationship with a person who would be and was taking control  over every single aspect of my life and this included restructuring how I thought, modifying my thoughts to think of him as the only importance in life and everything which I took for granted was no longer there. That was his concept of TPE. When I agreed to hand over authority over my life to him, it was literally everything. The one thing which most of us humans value above all is a sense of self identity or "I"
When in a Master/slave dynamic, this thought pattern is no longer valid and is replaced by me thinking of him first and foremost, thus all my wants did not exist and weren't important enough to even consider. Yes my needs were filled - food, shelter and being safe from harm physically, emotionally and mentally; all else was a want therefore dismissed.

There did come a time where the hard reality of what was required of me to be what he wanted me to be proved to be overwhelming as a part of my mind still fought against this depersonalization a conflict began as a small part of my mind resisted and fought against what I perceived as a deconstruction of my self identity and being reduced to the status of another's piece of property to be used at his whim. Part of this process was retraining my mind into relying on him 100% for every aspect of my existence. So yes, it was damn scary and I began to fear and a lot of that fear was a fear of the unknown. Whereas the unknown was changing into something that was completely beyond my control, fear that this was a life that I would be living for the next 50-60 years or so.

Granted many do not actively seek a 24/7 TPE type relationship and that is okay. Others who do thrive in a 24/7 TPE based relationship is also fine and in many ways they do have the internal strength and fortitude that has them thriving in their relationship. All I know that for me, I was dying inside and it only would have been  a matter or time before that would've manifested externally by being self destructive in one form or another. Eventually I made the choice that before I reached that point, I would leave and I did.

Each person will have their own methods to how they achieved a state where they thrive in a TPE relationship which is unique to them and in some ways, yes I do admire them for being able to do so. Other people aren't cut out for that intense of a relationship and we don't enter into them. We all have specific needs in what we seek, want and need for a specific typer of relationship with another. What I need in a relationship is far different to what Wyld seels which is different to what Lady A seeks and that is different to what kyra needed when she entered into a relationship with KnightofMists and his primary partner.



Rule -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 7:51:00 PM)

Your opening post is too long for me to consider reading it.



SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 7:51:39 PM)

First I think there is a lot of "purism" in insisting that there is a difference between TPE and internal enslavement.
Maybe there are differences, but not very big. If I was wrong in assuming that these two things are the same, I am willing to apologize.
Even if these things are not exactly the same I think they have a lot in common.

When it commes to the thing that one does not have to have a submissive personality in order to be enslaved. I am not really sure if this is true.
Jeff insisted several times, that only naturally submissive people can really be full slaves.
Maybe he is wrong. Maybe I am wrong.
Being wrong is not the same as not wanting to know or not wanting to understand, let alone wanting to offend someone.
I think my questions were legitimate.

My next question is about this sacrifice being healthy. Why on Earth do you consider their dominants to be BETTER than themselves?
By the way you mentioned afterlife. Many religions are very disapproving of suicide, some even equate it with damnation. Why on Earth would someone (if he is religious) risk being eternally damned just because a dominant wanted it?

And I also want to know what does it really mean to "master" someone? Or to be "mastered"?
I'd like if Jeff jumped in here, he could provide some good insight.



SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 7:59:10 PM)

quote:


Having been down that road myself, here's how I see it. I had entered in a Master/slave relationship with a person who would be and was taking control  over every single aspect of my life and this included restructuring how I thought, modifying my thoughts to think of him as the only importance in life and everything which I took for granted was no longer there. That was his concept of TPE. When I agreed to hand over authority over my life to him, it was literally everything. The one thing which most of us humans value above all is a sense of self identity or "I"
When in a Master/slave dynamic, this thought pattern is no longer valid and is replaced by me thinking of him first and foremost, thus all my wants did not exist and weren't important enough to even consider. Yes my needs were filled - food, shelter and being safe from harm physically, emotionally and mentally; all else was a want therefore dismissed.

There did come a time where the hard reality of what was required of me to be what he wanted me to be proved to be overwhelming as a part of my mind still fought against this depersonalization a conflict began as a small part of my mind resisted and fought against what I perceived as a deconstruction of my self identity and being reduced to the status of another's piece of property to be used at his whim. Part of this process was retraining my mind into relying on him 100% for every aspect of my existence. So yes, it was damn scary and I began to fear and a lot of that fear was a fear of the unknown. Whereas the unknown was changing into something that was completely beyond my control, fear that this was a life that I would be living for the next 50-60 years or so.

Granted many do not actively seek a 24/7 TPE type relationship and that is okay. Others who do thrive in a 24/7 TPE based relationship is also fine and in many ways they do have the internal strength and fortitude that has them thriving in their relationship. All I know that for me, I was dying inside and it only would have been  a matter or time before that would've manifested externally by being self destructive in one form or another. Eventually I made the choice that before I reached that point, I would leave and I did.

Each person will have their own methods to how they achieved a state where they thrive in a TPE relationship which is unique to them and in some ways, yes I do admire them for being able to do so. Other people aren't cut out for that intense of a relationship and we don't enter into them. We all have specific needs in what we seek, want and need for a specific typer of relationship with another. What I need in a relationship is far different to what Wyld seels which is different to what Lady A seeks and that is different to what kyra needed when she entered into a relationship with KnightofMists and his primary partner.


Your post has been extremely informative and very well written. I think all the people who even think about entering TPE relationships should read stuff like this. And a lot of stuff like this.




porcelaine -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 8:19:29 PM)

SocratesNot,

quote:

I am not deriding anything and I have read already many things on this site, yet I still don't understand many things. There is a lot of contradiction in all of it.


With all due respect, you have difficulty grasping the simple concepts presented in D/s exchanges. Now you're taking on two additional ideas that are often more complicated than the two you couldn't understand? That's beyond putting the horse before the cart. Color me clueless.

As for the articles, they're written by someone that's lived it. She's still around as is the site owner.

quote:

How is it possible to be a literal slave, property, and independent at the same time? This is an oxymoron.


I don't think you've wrapped your mind around dominants and submissives. Without some foundation in the two the varying streams will be hard to conceptualize.

quote:

The person being unable to orgasm after the relationship has ended doesn't seem very healthy to me, let alone independent.


That isn't why she can't orgasm. She has difficulty releasing because she submitted to orgasm control when she was owned by her previous partner. She was unable to find enjoyment without his presence. If you remove the overtones of power exchange people often can't get it up after they've gone through emotional hardship. It happens.

quote:

Please don't avoid answering questions. I am really interested in all these things. And all the articles on the site can't tell me the things that people can tell me from their own experience, and when I ask some questions.


In all fairness they've been incredibly tolerant of your questions. You've been given insight from people with valid experience doing the things you express interest in, but you dismiss their comments. The whole charade gets old after awhile.

quote:

Actually, the enslavement website in the FAQ states actually that the decision to become slaves is the last independent decision in the life of an internaly  enslaved slave. I will quote it:

Isn't consensual non-consent a contradiction in terms?   Not really, since it means giving legally valid consent to start the process of enslavement, in the knowledge that the process will remove the ability to withdraw consent in the future.


Okay, I'll bite. It means she cannot vacate the relationship on her own terms. She's owned. If it ends it's because he ends it. Now some don't agree with that, but then again we all implement these things differently.

Allow me to cut to the chase. I hate beating around the bush. People that seek relationships where Internal Enslavement or a life as property to another is the focus aren't looking for control. They're desiring a situation where someone else is in the position of authority to direct their path. They do this with the understanding that you cannot tell the skipper how to do his job. You may share advice or make a suggestion, but the end result is the one he chooses. It's the same demonstration of give and take that you find in all relationships.

You're focused on what's lacking or what could go wrong. That's something that cannot be ignored. Which brings us back to her most important decision of all - the man she chooses to serve. Everything that follows will build upon that choice.

~porcelaine



porcelaine -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 8:37:14 PM)

SocratesNot,

quote:

First I think there is a lot of "purism" in insisting that there is a difference between TPE and internal enslavement.


I believe the goals for each are different. From an IE perspective, when he gives me a directive or viewpoint he's indicating his choice in the situation. I can follow without thought and that would illustrate some measure of obedience for certain. But IE wants more. I ingest his will (preferences/desires/what have you) and make it my own. I don't alter or attempt to change it. If I have trouble doing this I articulate that to him so he can adjust my thinking. I'm surrendering my way for his in that moment and every other we encounter, trusting his is the best course of action for us.

quote:

When it commes to the thing that one does not have to have a submissive personality in order to be enslaved. I am not really sure if this is true.


I don't believe you need to have a submissive personality to be enslaved. However, most that are enslaved are willing to change or contort themselves in ways others aren't. They enjoy being surrendered and thrive in that space. For me it isn't a one time thing. There's always something I can hand over to him. That IS the difference between IE and the rest. I don't want to maintain controls and autonomy. I want him to have his way. And not in the manner I deem best, safe, or whatever word you want to insert.

quote:

Jeff insisted several times, that only naturally submissive people can really be full slaves.


I'll expand on that theory. No, it isn't necessary. And don't mistake compliance for submission. Some people are really the compliant but we call them natural submissives. The non BDSM term is people pleasers. You can be obedient and be unyielded in the head. Quite a few are like that.

quote:

My next question is about this sacrifice being healthy. Why on Earth do you consider their dominants to be BETTER than themselves?


I don't believe he's better than me. I have never ascribed to that belief. There's a reassignment of priorities as determined by him. Since he sets the tone and pace he'll decide where our focus rests. As his slave it's no longer my way, but the way he's crafted that includes our collective wants and needs as a whole.

quote:

By the way you mentioned afterlife. Many religions are very disapproving of suicide, some even equate it with damnation. Why on Earth would someone (if he is religious) risk being eternally damned just because a dominant wanted it?


I'm not religious at all. Nor am I Christian or believe in damnation of any sort. I would think those that have these beliefs have set them aside or readjusted them in deference to their relationship.

quote:

And I also want to know what does it really mean to "master" someone? Or to be "mastered"? I'd like if Jeff jumped in here, he could provide some good insight.


In short he's my CEO.

~porcelaine



SocratesNot -> RE: Risks of internal enslavement aka TPE (5/26/2010 8:42:05 PM)

quote:


Okay, I'll bite. It means she cannot vacate the relationship on her own terms. She's owned. If it ends it's because he ends it.


I don't know about others, but for me this is abso-fucking-horrendously frightening. I am not claustrophobic, but being put in any situation that I can not leave would make me this way. However Wolf2Bear's experience seems to contradict it. He says that he left increadibly bad TPE relationship.
Being really, I mean REALLY unable to leave would be for me a hell on its own, even if everything else was perfect. I tend to think that she can leave as long as she is physically capable of running away (not being tied and having healthy legs). The possibility that there is a mental block so strong that would prevent her to leave in any situation makes me very afraid.

And I agree with you ABSOLUTELY about one thing and this is:
quote:

Which brings us back to her most important decision of all - the man she chooses to serve.

This must be extremely, really extremely careful decision. And this is not the only decision. Even more important decision is
whether or not to became enslaved at all, and if there is not some deep primal need in her to do so, I would suggest not to do it

Why? Because, things going wrong don't have to be caused by the man at all. It simply can be that even if the man is OK, her personality can not endure being in slavery.
And most of people would not be able to endure it.
So she must be ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT SHE BELONGS TO EXTREMELY SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO ENDURE IT.

Not even ability to endure it is enough reason. Apart from this she must need such relationship as she needs air. In all the other cases it's better not to enter such relationship.



Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.0625