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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 6:22:27 PM   
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Finds it amusing how a thread on thread drift has totally drifted yet somehow stayed on topic...ish.



Yet it all feels very natural and organic.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:21:03 PM   
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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:23:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Syrox

Finds it amusing how a thread on thread drift has totally drifted yet somehow stayed on topic...ish.



Yet it all feels very natural and organic.


Wouldn't that depend on how the blueberries were grown?

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:25:57 PM   
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So, I guess what I'm asking here is, what is really considered too much drift and if an associated topic comes up through a thread, can it still be considered on topic?


I remember back in the day when the Polls and Other Random Stupidity section was created to give people a place to act like fools. I think it is important to be able to blow off some steam and be a goof now and then.

What I'm often less impressed with is when people are trying to have a discussion about X and one has to muddle through pages and pages of fart jokes to follow the thread. A witty comment, a little clever joke off a post, even a few little posts back and forth to have fun, no problem! I partake myself.

But it has gotten to the point that many threads end up in the ditch because they are driven there by idiocy. I often find that to be somewhat of a shame.

Red is absolutely right that if we don't feed the trolls and or the thread derailers, they will stop. But there seems to be this obsession with creating the drama. In the end, I guess if that is what the majority of the users here want, that is what they will get.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:27:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Say what you will about this place.

Some of you folks never disappoint Me. 

Thank Goodness!



I will agree with this, though the ratio of people I'm impressed with vs the ones I'm not impressed with is significantly different than what it was five years ago, when there was clever banter but people made an effort to stay on topic.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:34:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there is more than one type of social interaction going on here. I think unfortunately, we have people split into "sides" (of the boards) because of this quest and controlling efforts to make everyone fit into one. I'm happy when we stop doing that and include more people in all types of social interaction.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:40:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

I think there is more than one type of social interaction going on here. I think unfortunately, we have people split into "sides" (of the boards) because of this quest and controlling efforts to make everyone fit into one. I'm happy when we stop doing that and include more people in all types of social interaction.


You know laurell, I've never found trying to force anyone to do anything was ever an efficient way of operating. Often, when I start threads, I watch over them and try to guide the conversation like a facilitator would, and the threads I start don't often get derailed. I believe that I show people how I would appreciate the threads that I start to be treated.

I think that Collarme will go the way its users want it to go. If it goes the intelligent reflection route with the witty banter, it will be because the participants will have it go that way. If it turns into the Jerry Springer show, again, it will be the wish of the participants.

I won't lie to you that when I came back after a 4.5 year hiatus that I wasn't dead shocked about what had happened to these boards, but I've adapted. That said, I will only adapt so much. The day this place turns into a total circus, I'll be gone, not bitterly, but because this will not be a place for me anymore.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:42:52 PM   
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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:51:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

hmmm...ever thought of laughing along with them?


Why do you assume that I don't?

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 7:55:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not attacking you personally LA, please don't get me wrong. I enjoy your posts. However, I just know that for some people having an indepth conversation about their personal feelings and theorizing is too much to expect of them. Not that they aren't intelligent enough to do it, they just aren't in a position to share that much or ready to think that much. Some people deal with things through humor and some people form bonds so they can have those conversations in a more private venue through humor and frivolity.

Over the years I have received many emails from people that are afraid to post but approached me on a topic because of something I said on the boards. I think sometimes we take for granted that the strengths we have aren't shared by all and public speaking isn't one that's all that common. I hate to see us trying to pigeonhole people for being different and expecting them to be like us and I really do see that happen here.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 8:06:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand that, and there are places on this forum for random stupidity and humour.

And for the record, a bit of fun banter on a serious thread can lighten it up and that's fun. Most of my intellectual conversations in real life have many of us laughing to the point of tears at some point with absurdities, but we manage to stay on topic or have slight natural stray.

The problem here is that someone picks up on one little thing and it's like pulling a little thread in a knitted sweater and the whole thread just falls to crap. I've seen it happen on good threads and I find it a shame.

Bottom line, I've participated in online forums of all kinds for the last 10 years, this one being the only BDSM one, and on the others where I've participated, I've seen people having a blast but being very mindful of the topic at hand. It is very possible. It requires for participants to have a baseline respect one another and their ideas, something I find is sometimes lacking here.

Look, am I going to start a thread to vent about how I feel about the direction the board has taken, no. But the topic has been set and I'm giving my opinion on the matter, for what it's worth. I'll stay here as long as it suits me and when it doesn't anymore, I'll leave. Again, no hard feelings.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 8:12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shrugs. I don't see threads falling to crap. I see people interacting in the way that they know how and I think it's sad that some posters that used to participate in the discussion boards are now only in P&RS because they did have input before and like many, they may just be looking for somewhere to belong. I can't presume to be the one to tell them their input isn't in the right format and they aren't good enough to be in one place or the other. (outside of course of the site rules and what the Mods dictate)

I guess it's a matter of perspective. Neither is right or wrong, of course.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 8:16:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now you are assuming that I am making a judgement value on people's input and that was not my intent.

The problem with a discussion such as this one is that it will always be polarized because the moment you ask for a little respect amongst posters, you get seen as a tight ass.

Ever think about the amount of people the thread-jackers alienate? Just food for thought.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 8:26:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I stated previously I'm not assuming anything about you. I don't know you. I am telling you what I believe to be true about the people that post here from what I do know.

I don't know that I care how people here "see" me as it's an impossible standard to achieve because you never really know. I do agree that asking for respect is akin to some odd form of stranger topping that isn't likely to go over well. There are a few here that do it, it makes me giggle and it's probably more alienating to subs (other than myself) than anything we are discussing, but overall and thankfully the numbers of those type of posters has dropped considerably.

I'm also certainly not saying there are not two sides to this coin. I guess I just see the overall point of the place that is CM as being much more than threads running perfectly smoothly and it's not something that has been a personal concern of mine, quite the contrary for the reasons I have stated. Take a look in P&RS and you may get my point.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 8:26:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some folks only enjoy the offsides and drifts if it's about them. It seems to me.

Eventually they seem to rub everyone the wrong way, one person at a time.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 8:29:40 PM   
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I am telling you what I believe to be true about the people that post here from what I do know.


As am I laurell.

And if you see threads running perfectly smoothly, it is because mods to a great job at cleaning up a lot of them. I can understand them needing to clean up after newbies but there are many regulars here that don't get it right away.

Anyhow, I've said my piece on the matter. That's about all the amount of time I'm willing to invest on this topic. In the end, it's kind of a pointless debate. This board will go in the direction the participants chose to steer it.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 10:55:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to think as LadyAngelika does on this topic.  It's one reason I don't post in CM very much lately.  If there's a topic that looks interesting, but I have to weed through pages of "funny banter" (I seem to have a different sense of humor than others, which is why I put that in quote), I'm likely to just skip the whole thing.  A post here or there to make a side chuckle isn't a big deal.  But I have literally flipped through pages of sidebar fun remarks, and it's just not my thing.  So I did my own drift, to forums more geared to my reading/posting style.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/27/2010 11:58:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
How much is too much? When a thread becomes personal attacks it is too much drift in my opinion.


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RE: Thread Drift - 5/28/2010 3:01:04 AM   
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Then why hang in casual banter if everyone must sit thru a root canal?


Maybe scientific blogs would better suit.

You she see the shit that goes on -in the precious metals boards.   It is alot worse then this.  I have maybe 12 boards- I in favs - a board can exist- no one goes to it- it can be weeks for a reply.

I think maybe one should look at some other boards- as CM might not be right for you.

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RE: Thread Drift - 5/28/2010 5:42:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm stealing this from another thread:
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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

Is there any way to get this train wreck back on topic.....or should I just lock it, it can morph from links to donation sites to the dogs it was originally about, but that would be on topic, the rest of this, is not. I contributed originally to thread drift, can we drift it back please ?

I'm kind of curious on how the Mods as well as the folks who are on the boards see this subject.  I get the 'no hi-jack' premise and all that.  Still, I wonder at the same time about the supposed 'drift'.

Better yet, how much drift is too much drift?

Let's say somebody starts a thread about blueberry pie.  (I'm reaching here because I don't want to point to any thread in particular.)  By response four, somebody chimes in that they like blueberry pie, but they really do prefer apple.  Response number eight comes in, quotes response number four and says that they love apple pie too, especially with vanilla ice cream.  This brings people talking about ice cream of all flavors and what other kinds of deserts they like.  Point being, they aren't especially talking about blueberry pie anymore, but they've broadened the subject and it's become a discussion.

So, I guess what I'm asking here is, what is really considered too much drift and if an associated topic comes up through a thread, can it still be considered on topic?



The evolution of a thread is going to depend, a lot, on the opening salvo. Is there an actual question or is there room for discussion? That's the reason OTW topics don't generally fair so well. They don't turn into train wrecks.. they start as train wrecks. Closed minded OP's are going to get the crowds chasing them with pitchforks and then we end up with 30 or 40 page threads full deaf mutes using sign language on the phone. Opening posts in which the OP comes across like a child of 12 when they are an adult of 50 can be equally bad. OPs with a general purpose, open ended questions and room for enlightment, teaching etc tend to be shorter but of higher quality. Those are the ones I like best. As a general rule, I don't generally participate in a thread that already has 10 or 15 pages because dollars to donuts, it's a train wreck. There are exceptions if it's a subject about which I have a great deal of passion, information or insight that I believe may contribute in a meaningful way or if I've been in it from the beginning and pretty much any thread that has to do with the Constitution is going to be of interest to me regardless of how long going it is. I do try to stay on topic, will tongue-in-cheek on occasion but mostly treat people the way I hope to be treated and if I find that I'm too immature to do so, I'll use my block button so I'm not tempted. Mother Theresa I ain't. :)

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