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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 8:57:11 AM   
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Help on a room she wants to rearrange, change, or simply touch up.



Ohhhh.....you are one very smart man!  


Heh, this is what I need right now. I need to find a new place for my sewing machine in my bedroom so that my window is free for an AC unit ... I just don't have the energy right now to do it myself.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 10:07:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelikaGosh Peon, if only you knew the rewards obedience comes with ;-)
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I can grasp that obedience=rewards principle, LA, it's just that I'm struggling with your advice to the OP to 'listen to her'.  What proportion of what a woman says do you think would be a realistic aim for a man to listen to?  Would, say, 20% be OK? 


Peon, I guess it depends on the woman. Looking back, when involved with someone, I've never really had trouble capturing all of my man's attention or obedience ;-)

- LA


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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 11:40:40 AM   
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Pardon?

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 12:21:37 PM   
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We really have to teach submissives how to grocery shop now?  I mean, really???  How hard can it be to grab the concept of, if the box of Cherrio's runs out, you buy another freaking box of Cherrio's?

I suppose it does go along the lines of another post.  Yeah, if I have to tell a submissive not to piss on the toilet seat, I probably shouldn't expect him to be able to grasp the higher functions.

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I can grasp that obedience=rewards principle, LA, it's just that I'm struggling with your advice to the OP to 'listen to her'.  What proportion of what a woman says do you think would be a realistic aim for a man to listen to?  Would, say, 20% be OK? 

It honestly would depend on the 20%.  It could even be less than that, if you are paying attention.  I can promise you that the males in My life know when I want something or something needs to be done that I just don't have the time for.  Picking up on those little cues that happen during the routine day to day conversations would be enough to do the trick.




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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 1:58:49 PM   
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Ma'am is the one who knows how to cook (really well). If i shopped for Her i'd end up buying a few frozen dinners and ten cans of tuna fish.



i wasn't actually going to participate in this thread until i read this response by the OP.  Judging by that, he really is clueless, so here are a few ideas.

The first step to being a good sub is to remember that it is all about HER.  Try to think like she does, NOT like you do.  Thus, buying a few frozen dinners and ten cans of tuna fish would be immediately eliminated as options.  She would NEVER buy that.  Instead, look in her refrigerator and pantry.  Start memorizing the types of foods and brands that she likes.  If there is anything in her refrigerator or pantry that has less than 1/3 of the box/bottle left, buy a new one.

Then try to understand her eating habits and goals.  Many (most?) women seem to be watching their weight or trying to eat healthier.  If that's the case, help her do it.  Learn to cook some really great tasting healthy recipes.  You don't have to be a chef.  Most cookbooks have easy-to-follow instructions.  Also, buy plenty of fresh produce (especially fruits).  If she has a sweet tooth, feed her grapes (literally).  Nothing feeds a Cleopatra fantasy like being fed grapes by a handsome male sub.  Also, make her fresh fruit salads on hot days.  It's tasty, healthy, and refreshing.  (note:  Don't buy canned fruit cocktail.  Cut up fresh fruit and MAKE her a homemade fruit salad).  Be sure to find out what her favorite fruits are, and include them.

Learn her favorite foods.  Then learn to make them.  Cooking isn't as hard as you may think.  Also, learn what her favorite restaurants are.  Find out what her favorite menu items are from those restaurants.  Then surprise her by getting one of them as takeout, and bring it to her after she's had a hard day at work.  Between making her favorite foods and bringing her her favorite restaurant items, you will have one happy Domme.

Learn ALL of her sizes.  But in particular, learn her shoe size.  Then look at the labels in her shoes.  Is there a brand that she seems to favor?  Is there a style that she seems to favor?  Is there a color that she seems to favor?  Where does she buy most of her shoes?  If she likes Manolo Blahniks, and you buy her something from Payless, she probably won't be happy, even if they are her favorite color.

What brand of cosmetics does she use?  What perfume does she wear?  Where does she buy them?  You SHOULD already know the answer to these questions, but something tells me you don't.

What's her favorite color?  i'll bet you don't know.  Correct that mistake.

What are her favorite stores?  If she shops on-line, what are her favorite on-line shopping sites?  Learn these, and then buy her a gift certificate from each of them.

When is her birthday?  If you don't know, find out immediately!!!!  Then treat that day like the most important day of the year.  It is!!!!!!!

Find out the things that she HATES doing.  Then start doing them for her.  If you know that she hates getting her car washed, then start doing it for her.  If she hates cutting the grass, cut it for her.  If she hates washing dishes, make sure that you are the one who washes the dishes after dinner.

Take a massage class.  Most women seem to enjoy a good massage.  Notice, i said a "good" massage.  Most guys give a terrible massage.  They just rub like a hack.  Instead, learn how to do it right.  Most community colleges have massage classes.  Then follow that up by learning to do erotic massage.  A man who knows how to make his Mistress feel good is worth his weight in gold.

If you have a physical relationship with Her, then pay attention to what makes her moan.  Listen very carefully during lovemaking.  Her moans and her body language will tell you what she likes.  PAY ATTENTION!  Ignore your desire to cum. In fact, decide that you are going to forego your own orgasm.  Instead, challenge yourself to focus completely on giving her as many orgasms as she can possibly bear.  You'll be amazed at how willing she will be to return the favor if you do that.

What types of books and magazines does she read?  If her favorite author just released a new book, surprise her and buy it for her.

Same thing with movies.  What are her favorite types of movies?  Who is her favorite actor or actress?  If you heard her say that she wants to see the new "Sex and the City" movie, take her to see it.  i don't care that it's a chick flick.  Take her to see it anyway.  She'll appreciate it.

But basically, all of this goes back to what the ladies said early on in this thread; LISTEN.  But don't just listen, pay attention.  Some things that she wants, she won't ask for.  But she'll let you know what they are.  For example, as a sub, you should view a complaint as a request.  If she says, "I hate doing laundry", what you should hear is "Will you please start doing the laundry for me?"  If she says "I hate giving my dog a bath", what you should hear is "Will you please start giving my dog his baths?"

See how it works?  Listen.  Then do.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 2:20:09 PM   
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 . . . This was actually better:

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I can grasp that obedience=rewards principle, LA, it's just that I'm struggling with your advice to the OP to 'listen to her'.  What proportion of what a woman says do you think would be a realistic aim for a man to listen to?  Would, say, 20% be OK? 

It honestly would depend on the 20%.  It could even be less than that, if you are paying attention . . . .


*Chuckle* Oh dear, LP, you don't have high expectations when it comes to men actually listening to you, do you? 

Seriously, I think Rochsub's advice is great regarding specific details that sub could miss - but, really, I think that 'listening' and 'noticing' thing is the central point.  The assumption to make, I'd imagine, is that another person may like to live in a way that's totally different to the way I, myself, live.  So different, in fact, that I won't understand why she does X this way or wants Y to happen that way.  Moreover, she herself may not be conscious of how different I am and won't understand that I don't understand.  That's in the nature of two people who've developed their respective habits over such a long time that they probably don't even think about most of them anymore.

In short: there isn't any substitute but to watch and pick up cues.  I tend to think that nobody gets anywhere, in this world of D/s especially, without developing the quality of sensitivity.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 2:26:23 PM   
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Oh for fuck's sake!  What does she like to cook/eat? Use your powers of "Google-Fu" to look up a damn recipe for it. Buy those ingredients. 
Idiot.

Sheez, I've been married to Carol for 15 years. You'd have a hard time finding someone who knows me who would agree with the label "idiot". Yet for all that, I cannot do the groceries for her without a specific list. Even then it doesn't work well... she doesn't cook much from recipes and it's often an "inspiration of the moment thing" depending on what's in the cupboards and what happens to have caught her eye in the grocery store.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 2:55:28 PM   
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Yet for all that, I cannot do the groceries for her without a specific list.
 
Heh.  Tell me about it.  I've picked up groceries for a long-standing female friend on many an occasion.  With any given list I can count on it that I won't have even heard of a good third of what she wants.   Me, I go shopping for proteins, carbs, vitamins and minerals.  That's really all I think about when I shop for food. 

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 3:28:37 PM   
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Sheez, I've been married to Carol for 15 years. You'd have a hard time finding someone who knows me who would agree with the label "idiot". Yet for all that, I cannot do the groceries for her without a specific list. Even then it doesn't work well... she doesn't cook much from recipes and it's often an "inspiration of the moment thing" depending on what's in the cupboards and what happens to have caught her eye in the grocery store.

Jeff, you're focusing too much on the one specific task.  Granted, that may be the task that wouldn't be best suited for everyone if you are thinking of this in the concept purchase all of the groceries for the week.  Still, I'd be willing to bet that you've stopped to get Carol her favorite fruit once in a while or some other special kind of treat.  I'll bet you've planned occasions to take her somewhere that she would really like to go or picked up that bottle of perfume for her when she's mentioned that she's running out.  These things are simply observation skills that you've been proactive about.




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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 4:08:35 PM   
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Gorgeous post, Rochsub.




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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 4:52:36 PM   
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Mind you, Lurch - if it's just quick tips for brownie points you're after:

Shoe size.  Knowing that has helped me pretty well in the past.  As has being able to use a sewing machine.  Forgetting her birthday, though, has not. 

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 5:48:57 PM   
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Jeff, you're focusing too much on the one specific task.  Granted, that may be the task that wouldn't be best suited for everyone if you are thinking of this in the concept purchase all of the groceries for the week.  Still, I'd be willing to bet that you've stopped to get Carol her favorite fruit once in a while or some other special kind of treat.  I'll bet you've planned occasions to take her somewhere that she would really like to go or picked up that bottle of perfume for her when she's mentioned that she's running out.  These things are simply observation skills that you've been proactive about.

I'm SHOCKED! Absolutely SHOCKED that you would say such a thing. Wouldn't that be me serving Carol. Gawd, I can feel my domly mojo slipping away just contemplating it!

*laughs* More seriously, I agree with the larger point. It was the rather crude comments about shopping I was commenting on. As is always true, there are more possibilities than the obvious ones and people were ragging on the "can't do the shopping effectively" comment. I was pointing out that there can be reasons for that. In my case, I can't do the shopping because even if I pickup everything on a carefully prepared list, it doesn't help. She doesn't cook from recipes or prepare menus in advance. She needs to BE there herself in the store to see what catches her eye.

The larger point of being attentive to one's partner is, in my undomly opinion, excellent advice for anyone on either side of the kneel.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:14:44 PM   
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i tend to lose the thread and direct attention back toward myself after 2 minutes and i have asked Ma'am one personal question about Herself in 7 months.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:16:06 PM   
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i haven't peed on the toilet seat in months.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:20:46 PM   
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Ma'am thinks i enjoy disagreeing and "bickering" with her on purpose because i find it fun to have a "tumultuous" relationship, and i won't stop even though i know it stresses Her out and is very upsetting to Her. Then when She get annoyed, i accuse Her of having a mood swing and then i get bored and change the subject.

i think that our relationship is naturally tumultuous, and i try to stay in line but it is sometimes difficult. i think i have been doing better as of late, at least if the grading system is any indication.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:22:16 PM   
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She likes the kitchen cleaned.

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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:24:39 PM   
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That's true, i thought that post was going to be funnier and it didn't come across very well.
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Ma'am is the one who knows how to cook (really well). If i shopped for Her i'd end up buying a few frozen dinners and ten cans of tuna fish.


Such eloquent proof of not listening to her preferences here. 

Now try to pay attention... Make a list of items and exact brands that she buys.  Simply look in the pantry and fridge.  Add to that list anytime something new appears.  Take that list with you whenever you go shopping for her.  DO NOT SUBSTITUTE OR DEVIATE FROM THE LIST!



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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:39:02 PM   
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i am looking for tips from the Ladies here. What are things that subs have done that you really appreciated, could be a gift or just a nice gesture. i am trying to stay firmly on Ma'ams good side as sometimes i can be a bit of an annoyance to Her.


lurch999,

Everyone has offered some fantastic ideas with the basis being anticipatory service.  I know you posted in another thread that you and your Lady aren't living together but this shouldn't stop you from learning all you can about her wants/needs/desires, both sexual and everyday non-sexual.

I'd like to share one of my favorite threads about service ideas... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2798445
There are some amazing links that should help you in pleasing your Lady.  Gifts and trinkets are always nice but sometimes an act of service is the gift itself. 

As for food ideas....I'm a HUGE fan of http://www.chow.com/recipes (yes, this is mentioned in the thread link I posted). 
If you want to learn a bit about wines (this would impress me, especially if you could tell me about what you're serving me) check out http://tv.winelibrary.com/

If your goal is to please Her and be pleasing to Her, then focus on Her and not just what she can use you for or make you do when playing. 


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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:47:43 PM   
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Ma'am thinks i enjoy disagreeing and "bickering" with her on purpose because i find it fun to have a "tumultuous" relationship, and i won't stop even though i know it stresses Her out and is very upsetting to Her. Then when She get annoyed, i accuse Her of having a mood swing and then i get bored and change the subject.

i think that our relationship is naturally tumultuous, and i try to stay in line but it is sometimes difficult. i think i have been doing better as of late, at least if the grading system is any indication.


What are you trying to prove with this behavior?  Why do you purposefully disagree, bicker and stress her out?  Is that how you view submission and submissive behavior?  Who's in control of this dynamic? 


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RE: Domme Bonus Points - 5/30/2010 6:53:40 PM   
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I . . . don't think I can understand the particular D/s dynamics of your relationship, Lurch.  I have a feeling that you - and maybe she, as well - enjoy something that I'm not quite seeing.

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