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KnightofMists -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:05:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice I kinda like the idea of a hand-knitted posing jock. oh god my fears are being realized... I can hear the chants in the streets now... down with leather up with yarn!!!!

VideoAdminZeta -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:06:22 PM)
One page of hijack is enough, folks.

laurell3 -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:06:39 PM)
so your family will NOT be vacationing here? http://robnipulations.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/robnip%E2%84%A2-31-3-biggest-ball-of-yarn-rob/

KnightofMists -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:09:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminZeta One page of hijack is enough, folks. yes mom!..... but secretly I note the traitor amoung their numbers that shares the location of their stash of yarn. notes Whiplash's comment below.... what a sicko!

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:10:11 PM)
What I love is killer crochet work. :-) Seriously, it all depends upon what they are making and the skill level involved. There is playing with yarn and then there's really some killer work. Great crochet work is amazing though.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:13:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminZeta One page of hijack is enough, folks. Ahhh, we were only trying to figure out if slavery is more like yarn work instead of bullshit. Drat..

WyldHrt -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:13:18 PM)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3230087/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3230087 [:D] New thread for the yarn war, and apologies to the OP and Zeta

KnightofMists -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 3:19:08 PM)
mmmmmmm this thread might be another causality of this Yarn War!!! We of the Leather will Mourn those that fought bravely on this battlefield.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 9:00:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminZeta One page of hijack is enough, folks. Hey, this is MY thread and as long as SocretesNot is allowed to post his drivel and isn't put on probe for his crap, then I approve of any and all hijacks of this thread.

cloudboy -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 9:12:27 PM)
You know, this is a school of thought that an OP is responsible for the direction of his threads, so I applaud, endorse, and otherwise support your reasoning 100%.

SocratesNot -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 9:29:48 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot You know what - suffering is suffering and it has nothing to do with peace and serenity, let alone contentment. You can't suffer, I mean really SUFFER and be at peace, serene and content at the same time. Logical impossibility. When it comes to "need" to suffer, you are maybe right - but even if there is such a need, it's not very healthy need. Some people need to smoke or to do heroin, yet it is slowly killing them. Maybe there is a way to remove such need. There are very many great Zen Masters who would absolutely disagree with you and argue that acceptance of suffering has everything to do with being at peace and being serene. My Zen Master has always taught me that suffering can only create stress if we refuse to accept said suffering, and that the fear and avoidance of suffering can create equal amounts of stress. He argued that the only way we can relieve stress is by embracing and accepting suffering and that as such, the only we can achieve peace is by allowing suffering just to be, instead of trying to avoid it or fear it. I've personally always linked submission and masochism with Zen Buddhism because both advocate an embrace of suffering, and an acceptance of the fact that we cannot always be in control, nor do we have to be. I must partially disagree with you and your Zen Masters on this thing. While I agree that one CAN be serene and at peace during the suffering if he accepts this, I also think that it is better not to suffer than to suffer. If you have to suffer because of some external circumstances that you can't control, then in this case you should accept the suffering and be at peace and serene. There is no reason to fight the things you can't control. Accept them. Accept all the suffering and be serene and at peace. However, as long as you can control situation and avoid suffering, it is better to avoid it. All suffering that can be avoided should be avoided. That's my opinion. But, before saying that I am dismissing all the masochism and pain, you have to consider the following. By the term suffering I consider only those experiences that are completely negative. When someone derives pleasure from pain he is not suffering. When someone is getting sexually aroused from pain, he is not suffering. Even when someone finds NO pleasure and NO arousal in pain, but derives some indirect psychological fulfillment - he is not suffering. Real suffering is only when someone finds no pleasure, no arousal, and no direct nor indirect psychological or spiritual fulfillment in an experience that is very painful or otherwise tormenting, unpleasant or disgusting (masochist sometimes make distinction between good pain and bad pain - only bad pain can be considered as suffering). Suffering as defined in this way is completely negative experience without any positive elements. This is real suffering, and this should always be avoided. However, if you theoretically CAN'T avoid it, then and only then you should accept it, and in this case you can really be at peace and serene, while suffering at the same time. P.S. Edited to add: Person can sometimes choose to deliberately experience real suffering of the worst type, just as an exercise for the mind, in order to learn to accept the suffering when it hits you and when you can't avoid it. However, the only benefit of such exercise is being able to accept suffering when it happens. The exercise shouldn't be repeated endlessly not pursued for its own sake. When you learn to accept suffering when it happens outside of your control, you should stop doing such exercises. Ever after that, avoiding suffering whenever you can, is the best strategy.

SocratesNot -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 9:32:41 PM)
quote: There are SO many profiles out there of dominant talking about taking slaves who clearly indicated that they feel that they as dominants do not have to give back to the relationship; as well as SO many profiles of slaves who claim they are looking for a parasitical dominant. I've never seen a relationship like that actually work out long term and create an environment in which everybody is happy. Maybe that's just because I've never seen it before, and I would appreciate anybody pointing out such a SUCCESFUL parasitical relationship to me, should they know of it's existence What I do see is that all the "happy" M/s relationships here on the board always show clear signs in the posts of the participants that the relationship is a very close and harmonious symbiotic relationship that just exists in an unequal power dynamic. To me, the problem is not that "slavery is bullshit" but the idea that "parasitical relationship can be successful" is bullshit. Slavery and ownership can definitely be established and create happy people, but only in a symbiotic environment Absolutely true. I agree with this 100%.

Jeffff -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 10:46:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot Absolutely true. I agree with this 100%. Guess what, no one STILL cares what you think

SocratesNot -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/29/2010 11:04:38 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot Absolutely true. I agree with this 100%. Guess what, no one STILL cares what you think Having in mind the fact that I am mostly beginner and inexperienced, I agree that my approval of opinions of people who are more experienced and knowledgeable than me sounds patronizing and arrogant. However, with my knowledge of English, I don't know of other ways to express my agreement with some people's opinions that are very dear to me. If I am really fascinated with someone's opinion or with something that they have written, I feel the need to acknowledge my agreement with them. Maybe this is one of my weaknesses.

heartcream -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/30/2010 1:21:06 AM)
Double posted!

heartcream -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/30/2010 1:23:51 AM)
OOOOOPS I only read as far as this post below and then after I posted it I saw the direction this thread took. I knew I was highjacking at the time but it really feels important to me...[8\|] Maybe I ought to read through the whole thread before I post for just such a sitchyation as this one. I still think there is awesome information here and I stand behind my begging too! quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists and for you subversive individuals that believe Kyra should be allowed to knit in public... well... all I can say is that it's time for a good ole fashion yarn burning party!!!!!!! I will squash this rebellion!!!! Knights, I read about alllll the devoted incredible things this gorgeous woman has gone through for you. From her posts, Kyra does also come across like a skittish colt, a scaredy-cat puppy. She comes across as someone dealing with a lot of stress as she seems so sensitive which is a good thing as you well know. My question is what the hey ho heck is wrong with knitting in public? What dont you like about it? What is the problem? Oh please let her knit, grant her sanction, give her your blessings and permission, tell her you see the light and it is cashmere and she will knit you a scarf or sweater that will last forever. You will wear it knowing you helped her build her health and well being and calm her down one stitch at a time, even if other folks see her. Look at the Benefits! "Wandering through a yarn shop, touching the different fibers and imagining what could be created with them is a relaxing experience for me. I find the raw materials for creating something new as inspiring as looking at a finished product. I love bamboo knitting needles, I am exhilarated by the vibrant colors of hand-dyed yarns. I am a knitter. I have been since my grandmother first taught me at age 7, and I always will be. Beyond being a fulfilling life-long hobby, knitting can improve your health. Knitting has been shown to have the following health benefits: Reduces high blood pressure Relieves stress Develops hand-eye coordination in children Can help keep arthritic hand joints limber Provides a workout for your brain and can possibly reduce the risk for Alzheimer's disease Can increase self-esteem Can aid in recovery from surgery or illness by keeping the patient relaxed and restful My grandmother was a knitter all of her life. She taught all the children in her neighborhood how to knit. She knit hats and scarves for the needy and she loved to tell about how she got started. During the Great Depression she had to knit her own stockings. During World War II she knit socks for soldiers. Knitting was her way of giving to other people. She made something for every one of her beloved family members, from crazy hats to sweaters with animal designs. She was the most relaxed, patient person I have ever known. She would sit in the room with when I was a young child and chat with me while I played. She always had time when she was knitting to interact and listen. If she had her needles in her hand, she was smiling. Knitting has been compared to yoga, for its ability to induce a relaxed meditative state. It is rhythmic and calming. Watching a beautiful yarn become something new is gratifying. Feeling a soft warm fiber in your hands is comforting. Your mind becomes calm and you can think clearly, creatively. Knitting can also improve self-esteem. Creating something beautiful, no matter how simple makes you feel good about yourself. It is a creative outlet that can be learned rather quickly. Knowing just the basics will enable the knitter to make something useful and lovely. There is always more to learn, even for the advanced knitter. There is always a new project that will prove to be more challenging than the last. Our world is so full of busy, busy, busy things. Knitting can be your time out. If you are a overworked mom, take a break and knit. Teach your kids to knit. Knit and chat together. Start a family tradition. If you are young or old, join a knitting club or group. Share your love of knitting with others. If you have never picked up knitting needles, go to your local yarn shop. Talk to the resident knitter there. It is likely that they will be happy to take the time to help you get started. Knitters are known for being freindly people and are happy to talk shop all day long. Learn a skill that will help keep you happy and healthy. Become a knitter. My grandmother lived to be 89. She was working on a blanket for her newest great-grand-baby in her last days. And although her stitches became uneven from her unsteady hands, everything she created is enchanting to me, because they are infused with her love. And that is good for my heart." ------------------------------------------------------ Health Benefits of Knit & Crochet Return to Hand Needlework Reflects Longing for Stress Reduction Nov 10, 2007 Renee Blixt The current resurgence of hand-knitting and crochet may very well owe its popularity to the desire for promised health benefits. The current resurgence of hand-knitting and crochet may very well owe its popularity to the desire for promised health benefits. The health benefits of knit and crochet have been touted for decades by their practitioners, and doctors are finally agreeing. Knitting, crochet, and the other needle arts are traditional crafts dating back thousands of years. Although factories took over mass clothing and linen manufacturing in the early 20th century, millions of people have returned to hand work for both quality of product and quality of life. Clearly, the majority of knitters and crocheters don’t perform their chosen arts because of necessity—there must be other reasons. Knitting and Crochet Provide Health Benefits Lower Stress There is proof substantiating the claim that knitting and crochet help lower stress levels, thereby leading needle workers to a greater state of calm. ”Human beings are bodies, minds and spirits. Health necessarily involves all of those components,” says Dr. Andrew Weil in his bestselling book, Eight Weeks to Optimum Health. If happiness levels are increased, so is health. Weil points out that conventional medicine pays almost exclusive attention to the physical body and does not take into consideration what the mind would prefer. If the mind wants to knit, then knitting will produce happiness, which will in turn lead to a healthier life—it’s just that simple. Doctors are finally confirming what knitters and crocheters have known all along. Balance and Moderation Knitting is often compared to yoga, as both address achieving physical development through mental strength and accentuate the value of a balanced lifestyle. A study at University of Toronto in 2005 showed such balance to be an extremely vital factor where health is concerned. “Everything in moderation” is a more important mantra than ever before, as the world keeps accelerating.

heartcream -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/30/2010 1:33:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida Hi heartcream, Like you, I come here with an interest in what others have to say, rather than looking for some specific advice that I can use for myself. However, what I've taken away from coming to CM as well as other message boards, is an expanded overall "big picture" view - at relationships, individual choices, and communicating styles. Whether I emphatically agree, vehemently disagree, or anything in between, regarding what I am reading, the entire experience in the long run has brought me to expand my own thinking, and improve on the way I might present myself - both here and offline. So I do believe dialogue - even the eye rolling, frustrating kind - is a good thing. We are influenced, greatly or subtly, on what we involve ourselves in, or what we witness around us. Kyra could have responded to SN in frustration, and defensively, but she did not, and her message was received not only by SN but countless others who may be reading, which very likely influenced their way of thinking. Personally speaking, Kyra's communication style has influenced my own to a degree, in that she impresses me with the way she approaches being challenged by being informative, rather than defensive. Something I have often had trouble with. So while SN's view of an M/s relationship may have expanded a bit because of Kyra's & KoM's postings here, my view of my own communication style has continued to expand, and who knows how others were affected as well. And none of this would have come about if Michael hadn't exclaimed from the mountain top that slavery is bullshit. So it's all good in the end, ya know? [;)] I dont have a problem with it at all, (kind of confused about your post, feel maybe a misunderstanding somewhere?) I am a big fan of the colorful fabric of the boards. I have learned many things here directly, indirectly.

kadine -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/30/2010 1:34:43 AM)
Wow. That's some pretty powerful stuff there Michael.

heartcream -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/30/2010 1:40:53 AM)
Oh dear, I went back and read. Knights hate sweaters and stuff. I think though your arbitrary decision ought to be revoked given the evidence of the benefits to Kyra. She doesnt have to knit for you. Have you ever had a cashmere anything? Might turn you around...dont you wear hats or scarves? I plead my case.

SocratesNot -> RE: Slavery is bullshit (5/30/2010 7:06:29 AM)
MsMillgrove, wouldn't it be better if you restricted the time when he can use the internet to, for example - one hour a day, instead of forbidding to completely and forever? I tend to think that despite it's many bad sides and despite the potential for addiction the Internet is a very good and inportant thing. It allows people to know new things. It can keep them informed about the world. It allows them to explore different concepts (such as when you read many Wikipedia articles). Also I think this is a very important source of knowledge. By comparing different websites and sources it can give you a balanced perspective on many things. Also, it helps you know what is going on in the world and read many different sources of news and information. I must tell you that total ban on the internet sounds very totalitarian to me. The internet also can help mind stay agile, especially for older people. The ever changing thechnology and trends force you to update your skills every day and this rejuvenates the brain. Also, forums are very important. By participating on forums you meet new people and expand your worldview and your perspective in many ways. Also, participating in discussion helps improve your critical reasoning and your writing skills. I think that there is no medical condition in which specifically the Internet is bad for you, while some other things are OK. Instead of banning the Internet, try to find ways in which he could safely use it, and limit his time online if he has problems with Internet addiction. But since the Internet is source of information, I think it is very bad to ban using it, also it is bad to control which websites he visit, because he should form his opinions based on different inputs, not only on what you tell him. Also, in 21th century, Internet is becoming more and more important. It becomes more important than TV, more important than newspapers, and with the development of technology its significance and influence will only increase. Why cutting one from this huge source of free information? Why limiting his worldview to just sources you approve of? This is a form of mind control in my opinion and I would only be able to compare it with totalitarian regimes of countries such as North Korea.

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