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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 7:59:17 AM   
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Ah, well. I don't know any adults who play video and computer games. We must know very different types of people.

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You know one adult, at least.  I'm a Combat Flight Simulator 3 Ace.   I've taken down hundreds of Focke-Wulfs in my Spitfire to date.


Make that at least two, actually. I'm a gamer-girl at heart. Although I play far more than just video games, and I tend to prefer those where I interact with other people (RuneScape being my MMORPG of choice). You should really check out the WoW thread that has floated around for awhile. I believe AAkasha plays, as well as a number of others.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 8:36:43 AM   
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I've occasionally played video games, but more as a social thing with other people I know in person, including a couple of my then-boyfriends. It can be fun either going up against each other, or teaming up to achieve a goal, and I suppose you could easily tie it into BDSM rewards/punishments like in the competitive games thread.

My former submissive of 5 years and I had similar restrictions on his purchase of non-essentials (bills, food, etc. didn't need to be authorised individually). If he had done something like this after we were an established couple, I would have been very disappointed in him, and might indeed have punished him by restricting access temporarily, like she did. If he had refused to comply, I might have given him another chance, and would not have thrown things at him. It would have made me distrust his sincerity and his integrity. I would have really questioned a lot of other aspects of the relationship, and my base knowledge of who he was as a person (not just because of the initial disobedience, but the lie about your distrust vs. just not wanting to give up the game/box, refusal to accept a consequence, and the very direct "I didn't forget, I just didn't give a crap" attitude about it). Most likely, I would have ceased any financial control, since it would be obvious that I didn't actually have any control in that area, and I would reassess my control in other areas of the relationship. If he were already on probation, that would certainly influence my reactions, and I would have been much more harsh than for a first offence. It is pointless to exert control over someone who doesn't actually respect my authority or follow through on their promises.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 8:38:45 AM   
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Heh.  I've recently got in touch with an old uni friend.  He's German and now lives in Singapore.  Apparently he and I can join in a CFS3 game over the net - me in my Spitfire, him in his Focke-Wulf.  The Battle of Britain fought all over again. Only a vulgarian could fail to appreciate the deep cultural and spiritual development that such an activity must provide.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 8:45:44 AM   
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It is pointless to exert control over someone who doesn't actually respect my authority or follow through on their promises.

It seems to me that in D/s relationships that are working basically quite well, the sub does, say, 90% of what he's told either because he likes to, or because he doesn't mind.  (Pick your respective percentages.)  But the real tester falls within that 10% that he doesn't want to do.  If he doesn't fall in line with what the dominant wants, pop goes the dynamic.  Her sense of control is gone. 

But how that general rule applies in the case of the OP, his story, and his relationship as a whole - I don't know.  Too many other, maybe equally basic, things seem not to be functioning as they should.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 10:53:21 AM   
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Peon, I wouldn't use this thread or relationship to build a concept of what a d/s relationship is about or entails. However I might use it as part of explaining what not to do or who not to do it with. That's the key; the people. I have never had total control over any human being including little human beings. You cannot control another person unless they are willing to be controlled. From there it all depends on how much control someone wants to have and to give.

I happen to think that many of us dominants are very understanding and yet threads and situations like this one often focus on a situation or something and we dominant's say whoa, wait a minute, no friggin way. Okay most of them don't say it like I do, but something like that. We may not be saying whoa, wait a minute, no friggin way to what some might think we are. Even if we explain, sometimes what is heard is, whoa, wait a minute, no friggin way. lol

The area's where I might take control may be very different with different people. It all starts with what we are starting with. But what I see in this situation isn't what I would see in another's situation. What I see here isn't simple dynamic's but an attitude. One where no matter what the dude does, his willingness to obey is determined by how he wants things to go. She either accepts it or doesn't. She does accept even though she protests and yet he still gets what he wants. Lot's of drama there. A real battle. I won't do drama and battles.

I don't look at it like he does what I say 90 percent of the time. I look at it like he respects me/loves me/whatever, enough to want to do what I want. If he doesn't like it, he isn't going to stay with it. Sometimes people enjoy doing what someone asks of them, even though they might not like whatever it is, because they don't like it and yet are doing it anyway because it pleases us or is a power issue or an emotional charge. If we are looking for fairness it isn't always going to happen and yet it can still be fair. I know it makes no sense in a way, but that is part of what makes all this so much fun. I can be fair and yet still ask unfair things of a submissive man who is really into me and our relationship. One who wants to be submissive to me and be in a relationship that provides some emotional and physical charges and yet determines what he will do after agreeing to something else, isn't the submissive for me. He either wants it and keeps his word or he doesn't.

What if I agree to be the dominant and then do not dominate? Wouldn't one feel my submissive was being cheated? In a situation where a man commits to being submissive to me and then tops or tries to control when, where and how he submits, changing the agreement will get one thing from me. No dominance. You don't want to do it, don't agree to do it. It's that simple. I will not carry on a dynamic that has been agreed to, when the other party is breaking the agreement repeatedly.

Someone wants dominance only in the bedroom; fine. Don't agree to be controlled outside of it. But, keep it honest. If you agree, are told to do something a certain way and then decide you don't want to do it and then whine, argue, manipulate, become passive aggressive and the like and you get away with it, your actions, determinations and such are the dynamic and you are in control. It doesn't matter if those actions/attitudes come from an unhealthy place or not, they are what they are and it isn't willingness to do what you agreed to do.

Disobedience of this sort can fall into that score keeping and an attitude of a teenager. My mom told me I couldn't go to the party because I didn't clean the kitchen, she is such a bitch! I hate her! Stomp, stomp, slam of door. In this case, she is being so unfair, what would you do, would you do this... sob, scream, slam... I was sick and I have a problem and she just won't understand and punishes me unfairly.

Oh grow up. Do what you say or call it what it is.


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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 11:12:31 AM   
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Peon, I wouldn't use this thread or relationship to build a concept of what a d/s relationship is about or entails.  . . . .



I doubt that I'd draw any general conclusions about D/s from this thread, Lockit.  The particular relationship we've been discussing here is too alien to me. 

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  . . . If we are looking for fairness it isn't always going to happen and yet it can still be fair. I know it makes no sense in a way, but that is part of what makes all this so much fun. I can be fair and yet still ask unfair things of a submissive man who is really into me and our relationship. One who wants to be submissive to me and be in a relationship that provides some emotional and physical charges and yet determines what he will do after agreeing to something else, isn't the submissive for me. He either wants it and keeps his word or he doesn't.


It's interesting that you use that word 'fairness'.  For me, an essential thing about D/s is that it is unfair.  I couldn't work for me otherwise.  But, of course, there's 'good' unfairness' and 'bad' unfairness.   The extent to which I could put up with the latter sort is going to be key to whether or not I stay in a relationship.  The extent to which the hypothetical 'she' could put with my arguing about what I see as bad unfairness would be key to whether she wants to break off the relationship. 

Or, so I hypothesise, right now.  This hasn't become an issue for me, yet.  It may never do, because after decades of learning the hard way, these days, I don't tend to pick the wrong ones to start with.





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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 7:05:17 PM   
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Peon, for me, it wouldn't be so much a dealbreaker that someone resisted something that was difficult, or struggled, or *possibly* even outright defied or disobeyed me, *IF* they were able to talk things over with me after they calmed down and were rational again. Sometimes a person isn't aware of a limit or difficulty until they confront it in the moment. If they were yelling, screaming, or getting violent, and refused to back off and calm down, then I wouldn't want to deal with him. I agree that stretching into the hard, difficult things, that make the submissive feel raw, vulnerable, scared, and uncomfortable, can be a test of whether or not they are actually submitting, or just going along with things they don't object to. When I've been the submissive (or slave), I explicitly asked that my potential partner push me to that point before making a commitment to submit to or obey him, since I needed to know that my basic response would be to yield, to be upset by the idea of not doing as he wanted. I didn't make that requirement of my former male submissive before we got involved, but he did a lot of things for me that he was uncomfortable with, because I wanted it of him. Submission shouldn't be a constant state of misery, and of course, the limits and basic needs of the Dominant and submissive need to be reasonably compatible.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 7:17:45 PM   
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I don't think I'd argue with any of that, Anda.  Thank you for sharing your experiences. 

"Submission shouldn't be a constant state of misery, and of course, the limits and basic needs of the Dominant and submissive need to be reasonably compatible. "

Absolutely - of course.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/1/2010 10:58:19 PM   
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The plot thickens...on the sub area, there's a thread about making the transtion to 24/7. --insert headshake here--

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 12:33:47 AM   
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You should really check out the WoW thread that has floated around for awhile. I believe AAkasha plays, as well as a number of others.


Thanks, SD, but I think I'll pass. It's not a topic in which I have any interest. Now that I'm getting settled in England, my plans are to start my own business, get back into practising my Latin, French, tailoring, knitting, Indian cookery, jewellery-making, gardening, art history, and writing fiction - I like to have something to show for my leisure time.

I know this topic sounds like a thread de-railment, but I have a hunch the gaming is an integral problem here. The OP is clearly addicted enough that he couldn't wait to buy a game, even though he knew this was likely to have negative consequences on the relationship. People who can't delay satisfaction when they know that it will have unpleasant ramifications are typically self-absorbed and immature (I think the whole dental-procedure issue is a red herring). I can't imagine why any woman would want a relationship with such a person, and I suspect the OP's domina is thinking much the same thing. The fact that she felt she had to take his game-player away from him as a punishment makes him sound like a two-year-old, and that's exactly how he's behaving.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 6:23:47 AM   
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Hi everyone, it's me -- lurch's "Domme In Question."

First and foremost, I'd like to say thanks to those who've chimed in on this thread! You've given both of us lots to think about. Many of you have opened my eyes to some new perspectives. I appreciate it and I thank you.

Some folks have said that they're only hearing lurch's side of the story, so I thought I'd chime in and clarify with my own version of XboxGate. This will be a very long post, so don't say I didn't warn ya. :)

A tiny bit of background: lurch and I met through CM in October (I have since deactivated the account). By January we were hanging out frequently on a regular basis (2-3 times a week). He had no BDSM experience; I've had several subs, and two 24/7 relationships (one only lasted about 6 or 7 months, and the other for about 5 years). Newbies are not exactly a walk in the park for me; right off, lurch proclaimed himself to be a "slave," though I explained that, perhaps, his self-assessment should wait until he'd had a little experience. ;) We agreed to try incorporating some D/s elements into our friendship. In order to show him that the 24/7 dynamic of his fantasies could prove more difficult than he thought, we agreed that during the month of May, he would be obeying any orders I gave him.

I did not have the authority to DEMAND that he see the dentist before May, though I did "suggest" it each time he'd complain about his teeth, which was almost constantly. Finally, he made some appointments -- yes, I have offered to go with him for moral support, though he has declined. Since he didn't want me to come with him, I offered to juggle my schedule so that he could spend the day with me instead of going home and being alone all day. (I don't drive, so usually he comes to my place.) The schedule was to consist of snuggling on the couch watching a movie, and some homemade soup for dinner: comforting on a stressful day, easy to consume after a tooth cleaning.

lurch has admitted to spending money frivolously even while he is currently trying to save it. We agreed that he could do with some help here -- thus, would no longer be allowed to purchase non-essential items without my express permission: including books, DVDs, and video games, which he has the habit of buying impulsively and sometimes regretting later. The Xbox game in this scenario was almost $70 and was some sort of limited edition with a special code for an especially important in-game item -- I can't remember the title of the game or any other details about it -- but we did both agree that it was not essential.

He did call me while he was in GameStop, but I was in the shower and didn't hear the phone. (I don't even think he should have GONE into GameStop, but I digress, this post will be long enough!) When he got to my house after the procedure, we didn't jump right into XboxGate immediately. We sat and talked about his teeth, what happened with the procedure, how he felt and what was happening now. We discussed it at length. Any caring person would have made sure that their friend was OK after a scary dentist trip.

Quite a bit of time had elapsed before I brought up the game. In response to my instruction, "Now, tell me about this game that you bought..." He launched immediately into a monologue filled with excuses about why it was actually OK for him to make the purchase... it was a special limited edition, the purchase was "no big deal," and since he was "very sorry" I should let it slide since I was the one who didn't pick up the phone, it was a mistake, he only bought it because he was worried about the dentist, he would never never never disobey again, etc....

I asked if he thought there was a better way that he could have handled the situation instead of defying a direct order.

His answer? Wellllllll... he didn't get permission... so yeah, probably he shouldn't have bought it. BUT... I didn't exactly say NO, because I didn't pick up the phone! And buying the game was not the worst thing he could've done, in his opinion. It really wasn't such a bad thing to do, in his opinion. So he'd be surprised if I was even upset about it.

I agreed that he shouldn't have bought it. I went on to state that while I did understand the stress and anxiety that he was feeling over this procedure, we agreed that he wouldn't purchase non-essentials, so he'd still be punished. My initial instinct was to have him return the game to the store. But the trip would have taken an hour of driving (GameStop was 30 minutes away, plus another 30 minutes back to my house), a bit much after the scary dentist. I decided that instead I'd confiscate the game and his Xbox for a week. (I figured he could give me the game now, and swing by with Xbox the next day when he was feeling better, though we hadn't discussed that part yet.)

Realizing that I was going to punish lurch despite his excuses, lurch became petulant and argumentative. He felt that a better way for ME to handle the situation was to just give him a warning since he's "done so well lately," and he's still "new," and "today wasn't an SM day anyway" and my punishment was unconscionably harsh for "a minor infraction." (He uses this term, "SM," to describe WIITWD. Obviously there's a lot more to our dynamic than fun torture-y stuff, but for some reason he is fond of using "SM" as some sort of an umbrella term. He understood perfectly that even if he wasn't coming over to paint my chicken coop, I was still as in charge as ever.)

I informed him that disobedience is a MAJOR infraction in my book and probably in those of most other BDSM lifestylers; that obeying was in fact a cornerstone of D/s for me, and I didn't take such an arrangement lightly in the least, even if it was a trial basis. Also, even if he was just coming over today for a social visit, it did not mean he was exempt from the D/s dynamic as a whole -- his actions proved that his "No-SM Day" argument wasn't valid. Otherwise, he would have never called to ask my permission to buy the game.

lurch continued to whine and pout and complain about how unfair I was acting over something he considered so very trivial; I was getting sick of the histrionics at this point, but was by no means nail-spittingly angry, just kind of exasperated. He'd had novocaine shots for the tooth cleaning, but no other medications administered, and his mouth was "a bit sore" but otherwise he was not impaired. lurch seemed to have enough energy to pace around my living room and throw a tantrum about his "minor infraction," so I decided that since his house only 10 minutes from mine, a drive home to get his Xbox would give him time to calm down and rethink his position. I had honestly expected him to be more reasonable when he came back.

When lurch returned, he seemed to have accepted his fate, placing the Xbox in my guest room and being much more relaxed. I started slicing onions for the soup, and talked about how French onion soup is prepared. (He's teaching me how to play chess, and I'm teaching him how to cook.) We were having a fine time until out of nowhere he whined, "You know, YOU made MY bad day a hundred times worse than it already was!"

"Why?" I said, "Because I punished you for buying the game?"

Yes. He said that I had twisted a very minor incident into a major one, and "it wasn't EVEN supposed to be an SM day," and he had been doing well for the past 2 and a half weeks of his probation, this was just a tiny insignificant mistake, I was expecting him to be "perfect" all the time, this was no big deal at all, I must not care very much about him or the horrors he'd had to endure all day, etc. etc., ad nauseum.

This was exasperating and annoying. My response was that if two people make a commitment to a D/s dynamic, then YES indeed-i-ly-doodle-y, it is in fact VERY reasonable for each person to expect the other to live up to their commitment; IMHO, what's UNreasonable is to assume that saying "Sorry!" and giving a bunch of excuses is going to eliminate a Dom/me's obligation to teach the sub through punishment when necessary. I informed him that I was not responsible for ruining his day, he went to GameStop of his own volition and decided that a video game was more important than his commitment, so he made his own day worse with his own actions. I also pointed out that an ACTUAL "slave," would have been released at worst, or forced to return the game to the store at best, as opposed to the slap on the wrist that I saw fit to give in light of his dental stress and newbie status.

His only response to this was that I wasn't being fair, and that NOW he probably wouldn't ever get his Xbox back. Even though we'd been friends for 6 months, and even though he'd left safely boxes of his stuff at my house for weeks while he was in the process of moving, and (as many of you had pointed out) he'd entrusted his personal and physical safety to me countless times, still lurch cited people he trusted have stolen from him in the past (!!), and so I probably just planned to dump him and keep his Xbox.

I realized that he was cranky and not at his best, and I had tried to take that into account with all of the BS he was throwing around. But this was much too much. I stated that he now had two options... the first was that he could accept responsibility for his actions, take the punishment like a responsible adult, and try with all of his might to open up his mind and learn a little something from this experience. If that wasn't acceptable to him, there was another option: he should not commit to a D/s arrangement with someone he cannot trust, and for whose authority he has no respect. What's more, if he was incapable of showing basic respect to me in my own home, then he should remove himself post-haste and be very sure to take all his crap with him. I pointed out that he should especially remove any gifts he'd given me from my possession; I wanted nothing from a person who thought so badly of me as to accuse me of making up elaborate ruses to steal a stupid Xbox. If I'd given a fraction of a shit about an Xbox, I'd buy one. The whole scenario seemed deranged to me.

Yes, I was angry enough to use expletives that I don't ordinarily use. And yeah, I probably did speak at a volume that was somewhat louder than usual. But no, I absolutely didn't yell, scream, or hurl fistfuls of gifts at poor lurch's head.

He did follow though with the punishment, though to this day he maintains that I was far too harsh with him, that the disobedience was a minor infraction, that I should have let him off with (another) warning (on top of his probation), that I "invent reasons to get angry" at him, that I "do nothing but sit around all day freaking out about things that aren't important," and that I expect a submissive to be a "mindless robot instead of a real person."

I have since released lurch -- this is not because I don't care about him, but because I do care. His response to this was that I can't possibly find a better submissive, and that I will regret my decision to release someone of his caliber. He's confident that if by some miracle anyone else will ever deign to serve me, they will be of such inferior quality and treat me so poorly that I will miss lurch and appreciate him more in his absence. I have urged him to seek therapy as some of his issues may need the attention of a professional.

I've read that some of you would have instantaneously released a sub at the moment of the infraction. To be honest, while I've had similar dynamics with other people, previous disagreements are often rooted in honest misunderstandings and/or pre-agreed bratty quests for "funishment" as opposed to genuine willful disobedience. My other submissives have usually brought their problems to me at an appropriate time and place; when there have been disagreements, the other party usually makes some effort to listen, to understand that I have a submissive's best interests at heart, and to work with me in finding a resolution rather than against me. So, dealing with a special guy like lurch really has been new territory for me. I did what I thought was best at the time.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify any confusion about my side of the story!


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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 6:59:19 AM   
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What game did you buy?

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 7:26:47 AM   
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The difference between you and the others is something that I often see here.

What's more important, the relationship and the people -- or BDSM and the power dynamic? (For some, BDSM **is** the relationship.)

In my relationship, we suspend BDSM during pretty much all stressful times and put the relationship and each other first. Our choice is BDSM "light." My relationship, which is secondary one, is now going on year #6. So, our choices are working for us.

As for me personally, if I were in charge, I would have a sliding scale of obedience -- and this offense would be pretty low on the infraction meter. But, I would also not attempt to run another's person's life to the degree of the Mistress described in this post. When it comes to serious challenges: surgical procedures, dental procedures, confronting stressful situtations, etc. I would want my partner to use anything at their disposal to jump these hurdles successfully -- and I would support them and make exceptions to make this happen.

But this all comes from the "less authoritarian" perspective.

I also tend to agree with others who don't like drama in their relationships, and blowing up a relationship over an X-Box game is drama 101. I just would never want to be in a relationship that exerienced turbulence over small matters.

I'm from the school that BDSM augments a relationship, and I don't align with those of want BDSM to determine a relationship -- or make or break it. That's just me, I'm BDSM "light."

I am fascinated by BDSM "heavy," but I don't think I'm built for that.

To flip the coin, if the OP is in a "heavy" BDSM relationship, and that was his choice, then he should not have bought the X-Box game. Rather, he needed to think, "am I up for this and I am ready to meet the challenges of this relationship."

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 7:49:21 AM   
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Great choice of a name, since you deactivated your last profile.  LOL.  Very cute.  (Though I'm sure you'll choose another that will be more reflective of you at some point should you want to stick around again.)

I wanted to say thank you for coming in to tell your half of the whole thing.  (In a very dedicated manner at that, from the length of the post.)  Even the D/s or M/s aside, I probably would have been rather insulted had someone thrown an accusation at Me about wanting to keep the game console.  After a six month friendship, I would expect someone to know Me better than that.  Then again, that's just Me.

As I'm sure you already know, the 'you'll never find anyone as good of a sub' line is generally used as a manipulation tactic and not anywhere near true.  (Same ploy is often used by abusers in the vanilla world, but that's another subject.)  I'm absolutely certain you will find a dynamic that will be more suited for you, rather than settling for someone who obeys you when they feel like it.

Best of luck in your endeavors.  Maybe you'll consider sticking around here with us on the forums.


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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 8:00:22 AM   
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The difference between you and the others is something that I often see here.

What's more important, the relationship and the people -- or BDSM and the power dynamic?

In my relationship, we suspend BDSM during pretty much all stressful times and put the relationship and each other first. Our choice is BDSM "light." My relationship, which is secondary one, is not going on year #6. So, our choices are working for us.

As for me personally, if I were in charge, I would have a sliding scale of obedience -- and this offense would be pretty low on the infraction meter. But, I would also not attempt to run another's person's life to the degree of the Mistress described in this post. When it comes to serious challenges: surgical procedures, dental procedures, confronting stressful situtations, etc. I would want my partner to use anything at their disposal to jump these hurdles successfully -- and I would support them and make exceptions to make this happen.

But this all comes from the "less authoritarian" perspective.

I also tend to agree with others who don't like drama in their relationships, and blowing up a relationship over an X-Box game is drama 101. I just would never want to be in a relationship that was so petty and small minded.

I'm from the school that BDSM augments a relationship, and I don't align with those of want BDSM to determine a relationship -- or make or break it.


I can understand what you're saying, cloudboy. Dramatic people tend to suck the energy from the room, and I don't enjoy a relationship like that any more than your average person. But obviously, I considered lurch to be more than just an outlet for scratching my Domme-ly itches!

He was released from service about a week after this incident occurred. It was not specifically due to the Xbox game itself, but based based more on the negative and bitter statements he'd made regarding his perception on my ability to handle the situation. (Fourth paragraph from the bottom of my last post.) Based on those statements, I just didn't see us as a good fit in a D/s dynamic. But certainly that doesn't end our friendship.


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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 8:52:24 AM   
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Welcome MistressXbox,

How we do see a different picture than the one lurch was painting! lol I guess he needed one last blast of passive aggressive, justification of a victim. Good luck in the future and as Lady Pact said, I hope you stick around!

Cloudboy... I do believe I mentioned how people will only see us saying whoa, wait a minute, no friggin way. You seem to see only what you want to see and assume the rest. You have no idea what we are like in a relationship and what care we give to the people in our lives. The problem with the message board is we don't write a book on how we are and you tend to overlook the times when we do explain the love we have for our submissive's and how we do consider their happiness.

This situation was not over a stupid game! This is over an attitude, past wounds, how one conducts themselves and on and on. The man simply acts like a child, wants everything his way and will get unruly when he doesn't get his way. He agreed to the dynamics and cannot live them.

It is about the people and relationship in my opinion, but this guy isn't even good at that. There is no trust, a fear base he will pull out to justify himself, manipulation, pouting/bitching/not letting go of it and the poor, poor pitiful me because the world and YOU are so mean to me. That is not an adult male I would want to spend any amount of time with... I don't care how much he values himself and thinks he can't be replaced. Shit, watching Jerry Springer would be better than that. At least I could shut that off in an instant. That guy is still bitching about it and had to come bitch and stomp and try to justify his actions even to us, thinking we would bash his big, bad dominant. To think, his day was so bad over a tooth cleaning he had to break his word and belittle the relationship he claimed to value, then blame her for it all being as it was! lol Yeah... I'd want to do that! I don't do men I could have birthed in age or in mental/emotional age.


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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 9:16:55 AM   
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Thanks so much for posting. Ms Xbox! Such a pleasure to hear your side of the saga--and of course, the attendant vindication! ;) I'm glad that you and lurch are still friends--you're much more understanding than I. :)


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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 9:20:43 AM   
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Thanks for presenting your side, MistressXBox. 

*Sigh* .  One person's word against another's - a difficult call, as I'm sure you'll understand.  A reasonable person wouldn't know which way to fall, obviously.

It does seem, though, that you and lurch weren't suited, D/s dynamic-wise.  That much seems clear from what you both say.  He obviously has quite a different assumption about what D/s entails to your own. 

Also from what you both have said, I don't personally think he's in need of a therapist..  But if he does go to one - I'd recommend that he take a copy of this entire thread.  It'd help him, and said therapist, to see things in the round, so to speak. 

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 9:27:29 AM   
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I don't think she was harsh or overreacted at all. She seems mature and reasonable. He seems like a child. I would not have continued in this relationship either. It's possible he was testing her to see how far he could go, but most children, when they've found the limit, quit pushing and accept it. He didn't accept it, then brought their private squabble to the boards.

I also don't see how this is bdsm "heavy". We do bdsm "light" for lack of a better term, but I would have expected and accepted that small "punishment" for breaking my word and my commitment to the relationship without question. He not only questioned, argued and sulked about it, he took it to the "streets" for validation.

I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to make Ms. Xbox, (sorry, don't remember your exact screen name!) but I think you absolutely did the right thing. It's good that you are maintaining your friendship; he can probably learn alot from you if he is willing to push past his own ego and listen.

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RE: What would you do in this situation? - 6/2/2010 10:13:23 AM   
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Hmmmm.

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