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popeye1250 -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 4:57:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Consider the totality of all of popeyes posts. There in lies the proof. This is a back of the wood shed beating on him. and rather uncalled for. The totality of his posts is the whole problem. It's been 5 - no, now 6 - pages of nothing but bigoted insults and lies about a group of people he knows absolutely nothing about, most of whom are fundamentally very decent human beings, and many of whom have done far more to make the world a better place in which to live than he's ever even dreamed of doing. Uncalled for? He got off easy. Panda, I knew those people very well, I was describing my old neighborhood! You, Rule and Polite sub have been jumping to conclusions as regards "race!" Why when I say "poor neighborhood" do you automatically assume it's "black?"

realcoolhand -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 5:05:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 You, Rule and Polite sub have been jumping to conclusions as regards "race!" Why when I say "poor neighborhood" do you automatically assume it's "black?" Back to this? Tell you what, I'm thinking of red-faced, potato-eating catholic. Pile a bunch of stereotypes together, and we'll all see what you're getting at. Dummy.

TheHeretic -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 7:05:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But a self-organizing ground swell? Busted. Muse, there are several regulars in these forums I can engage with if I feel like talking to an idiot who just tries to put words in my mouth. Why do you want to join them? There are hundreds, if not thousands of Tea Party organizers, middle aged women being a dominant force in the bunch. There is no "central command," no matter how many people would love to latch onto that power source, or try to make it true by posting it on Wikipedia. This thing is still evolving. The pendelum swung pretty far out last time, and energy is being added as it comes back down. Denying the organic nature of this, making it "the enemy," is a foolish recipe for disaster.

Musicmystery -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 7:09:02 PM)
quote: Denying the organic nature of this, making it "the enemy," Who's putting words in whose mouth?

TheHeretic -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 7:33:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Who's putting words in whose mouth? Not my intent, Muse, I was getting broader in my reference, and moving back towards the original mischaracterization.

Brain -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 7:37:24 PM)
Bill Moyers Journal . Steve Meacham . Fighting Foreclosure \| PBS Community organizer Steve Meacham of City Life/Vida Urbana is fighting on the frontlines of the foreclosure crisis. Meacham and his colleagues at City Life employ a community organizing strategy they call the The "shield" is a strategy of legal defense: teaching City Life members about their rights under the law, plus providing access to volunteer legal assistance. The "sword" is a public relations strategy, where City Life organizes protests in front of banks, and eviction blockades in front of people's homes. For these protests, City Life tries to attract as much media attention as possible, trying to draw public scrutiny towards what they argue are unfair banking and eviction practices in their community. "We find that the two [strategies] work extremely well in combination," says Meacham. He says that a strong legal defense often isn't enough to avoid eviction. "A legal defense is not enough because in Massachusetts the banks can evict you for no reason. And so for many people the strongest legal defense will simply slow the bank down. Slowing the bank down, however, can be very, very important because it gives us a chance to use the public protest to good benefit. If the bank is facing the prospect of a long, drawn-out legal procedure, even one that they might ultimately win.. and at the same time they're going through that, they're being regularly protested by City Life.. that is a public relations battle the bank loses every time. So faced with that combination of long, drawn-out legal defense and public protest, the banks are very often choosing to negotiate and settle with us." According to City Life, they've been able to prevent evictions for 95% of the people who've come to their door by employing the "sword and shield" strategy. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05012009/profile2.html

AnimusRex -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 8:10:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Myths are so much more convenient than reality. Reality does, of course, have that advantage of being true. But a self-organizing ground swell? Busted. And that is pretty much what needs to be dispelled here- that political movements can be spontaneous uprising of citizens, untainted by experience political hands, a sudden surge of concerned citizens magically inspired by a unifying idea. Sorry, the world doesn't work that way- no political movement ever began that way- all movements are began and run by community organizers, politically savvy consultants, and interested parties. Which isn't a bad thing, per se; the civil rights movement, the union organizing drives in the Depression and so forth were begun and lead by people dedicated to political change. Because no matter how craven or politically connected the leadership of a movement might be, unless they can inspire millions of people to join them, the movement fizzles. So I don't have any problem with the Tea Party being begun by lobbyists and ex-Congressmen; I have a problem with them posturing as being committed to helping the middle class, when in fact every position they take only benefits Wall Street.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 8:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Consider the totality of all of popeyes posts. There in lies the proof. This is a back of the wood shed beating on him. and rather uncalled for. The totality of his posts is the whole problem. It's been 5 - no, now 6 - pages of nothing but bigoted insults and lies about a group of people he knows absolutely nothing about, most of whom are fundamentally very decent human beings, and many of whom have done far more to make the world a better place in which to live than he's ever even dreamed of doing. Uncalled for? He got off easy. Panda, I knew those people very well, I was describing my old neighborhood! You, Rule and Polite sub have been jumping to conclusions as regards "race!" Why when I say "poor neighborhood" do you automatically assume it's "black?" I never said anything about race, man.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 8:26:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: realcoolhand quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Do we see "community organizers" in wealthy neighborhoods knocking on doors? What if they knocked on John "French" Kerry's door, do you really think they'd get a check from HIM? They wouldn't make it to his front door, his security people would grab them! And his neighbors wouldn't be home, those people usually work for a living. They're rarely there, they could be anywhere in the world. You don't get any money by knocking on doors in wealthy neighborhoods, unless you're lucky enough to run into one of the butlers or maids at the nearby market who feels sorry for you! So where DO they get all that money from? The poor? Beg from the poor to . . . beg from the poor? Dude, you don't even make sense. Realcool, I'm wondering where all the money comes from but noone seems to know! I think quite a lot of us do, and would have been more than happy to give you a respectful answer if you'd asked even a halfway respectful question. When you ask shit like this - quote: Do they "organize" people to "think" a certain way? Do they wake them up to be sure they're "at the protest on time?" By definition wouldn't they have to "organize" people in "poor" communities to think that if they act in a certain way that they'll get ..."more money" somehow? Mother; So Johnny, what do you want to be when you grow up, a Fireman, Cop, Cowboy?" Johnny; "I want to be a COMMUNITY ACTIVIST!" Father; "I knew it! He's a fuckin' QUEER!" ...then as far as I'm concerned you can go fuck yourself. I wouldn't dignify that shit with a respectful response if you held a gun to my head. This is the level of discussion you were looking for, and you found it. Enjoy it.

popeye1250 -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 9:10:16 PM)
Panda, bullshit! You, Rule and Polite sub hijacked this thread for your own sick little political correctness infested minds. You saw "poor neighborhood" and "community organizer" and you ran with it! Obama was somehow even brought into it! Why? I never mentioned Obama. You (thought) you knew what I was going to say? Political Correctness is a mental disorder. You three should be ashamed of yourselves. Who's the "bigots" and "racists" here? Here's an idea, when I start a thread in future just don't go into it. You contribute nothing anyway. "My, my, my, said the spider to the fly."

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/2/2010 9:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Panda, bullshit! You, Rule and Polite sub hijacked this thread for your own sick little political correctness infested minds. You saw "poor neighborhood" and "community organizer" and you ran with it! Obama was somehow even brought into it! Why? I never mentioned Obama. Neither did I, so why are you yelling at me about it? I never said a word about race, either, so again, why are you mad at me about that? I don't know what you think you're reading, but most of it doesn't seem to have much to do with what people are actually writing. It's been a very strange thread.

Politesub53 -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 2:19:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Panda, bullshit! You, Rule and Polite sub hijacked this thread for your own sick little political correctness infested minds. You saw "poor neighborhood" and "community organizer" and you ran with it! Obama was somehow even brought into it! Why? I never mentioned Obama. You (thought) you knew what I was going to say? Political Correctness is a mental disorder. You three should be ashamed of yourselves. Who's the "bigots" and "racists" here? Here's an idea, when I start a thread in future just don't go into it. You contribute nothing anyway. "My, my, my, said the spider to the fly." If I have a mental disorder for pointing out racist posts, I can live with it.

popeye1250 -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 3:02:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Panda, bullshit! You, Rule and Polite sub hijacked this thread for your own sick little political correctness infested minds. You saw "poor neighborhood" and "community organizer" and you ran with it! Obama was somehow even brought into it! Why? I never mentioned Obama. You (thought) you knew what I was going to say? Political Correctness is a mental disorder. You three should be ashamed of yourselves. Who's the "bigots" and "racists" here? Here's an idea, when I start a thread in future just don't go into it. You contribute nothing anyway. "My, my, my, said the spider to the fly." If I have a mental disorder for pointing out racist posts, I can live with it. Look in the mirror you hypocrite!

rulemylife -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 3:22:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Panda, I knew those people very well, I was describing my old neighborhood! You, Rule and Polite sub have been jumping to conclusions as regards "race!" Why when I say "poor neighborhood" do you automatically assume it's "black?" I never said anything about race, man. Neither did I. Popeye's guilty conscience haunting him?

pahunkboy -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 3:34:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Panda, bullshit! You, Rule and Polite sub hijacked this thread for your own sick little political correctness infested minds. You saw "poor neighborhood" and "community organizer" and you ran with it! Obama was somehow even brought into it! Why? I never mentioned Obama. You (thought) you knew what I was going to say? Political Correctness is a mental disorder. You three should be ashamed of yourselves. Who's the "bigots" and "racists" here? Here's an idea, when I start a thread in future just don't go into it. You contribute nothing anyway. "My, my, my, said the spider to the fly." I agree. A few here could also learn manners. and NOW.

Musicmystery -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 3:36:43 PM)
You've been playing mom a lot lately.

pahunkboy -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 3:40:37 PM)
Not really. Just that this place at times is nothing but a slug fest. Be the bigger man. And I don't mean just MM. I mean many here that slam people with name calling and insults. Grow up.

Musicmystery -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 3:44:32 PM)
And I'm pointing out, again, that you are one of the relentless ones with digs, slams, and derailments. You could stop yourself, and all those instances would stop as well. The mods can handle the rest.

pahunkboy -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 3:48:44 PM)
MM- read the thread. READ IT. Read it out loud.

Politesub53 -> RE: "Community Organizers." (6/3/2010 4:38:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Look in the mirror you hypocrite! How do you work that out ?

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