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In fairness, plugging massive under-water oil leaks isn't traditionally something the President is responsible for, or (come to think of it) something that anyone has had to deal with. This is really the sort of risk that we should expect the folks who CREATE the risk to be prepared to deal with; they SHOULD have to figure the FULL cost of solving the problem into the basic cost-benefit analysis they use to evaluate the whether deep-sea drilling is a good business decision. After all, they're the ones who capture the benefit of oil extraction.

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LOL condescending much real? Amazingly a female submissive CAN actually be intelligent and well-versed in the law, imagine that. My experience spans oh about 2/3rds of your actual life.

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In fairness, plugging massive under-water oil leaks isn't traditionally something the President is responsible for, or (come to think of it) something that anyone has had to deal with. This is really the sort of risk that we should expect the folks who CREATE the risk to be prepared to deal with; they SHOULD have to figure the FULL cost of solving the problem into the basic cost-benefit analysis they use to evaluate the whether deep-sea drilling is a good business decision. After all, they're the ones who capture the benefit of oil extraction.

It is intriguing how, when disaster strikes, free marketeers suddenly rediscover the value of government.

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It is intriguing how, when disaster strikes, free marketeers suddenly rediscover the value of government.

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Yeah I know. The effect, however is the same. Those EPA fines go per day and they will totally shut them down for operating in violation of the regulations. By the time someone actually makes it to court, the money is all but gone, but saying hey the EPA already slapped me hard, is NOT a defense, believe me. Been there, done that, have the ruling against the argument to prove it.

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Has anyone pondered the position, that advancing technology in a controlled enviornment is a much different than fixing this uncontrolled disaster ?

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You have some misconception that doing anything that far under the water is a controlled environment.

Nope, I do not. Making a movie, where there isn't gallons of oil spilling onto your " set " < your set meaning underwater> and where you can abandon your scene if things go awry is controlled. No harm can come from stopping filming to correct a glitch or to send down another robot if robot 1 gets messed up. That is what I mean by controlled
So you don't think that people who actually build robotics and submersibles to work at this depth and are skilled in using them have any insights on what can be done with those same vehicles?
Sure I do. Is James Cameron that guy ? Maybe. But then again BP has robotics down there and it ain't working
Or are you just looking for something to complain about?
Nope

What exactly is Obama supposed to do about the leak?
I dunno, what exactly is BP suppose to do about the leak ? I suppose the answer is the same. Fix the damn hole.

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It is intriguing how, when disaster strikes, free marketeers suddenly rediscover the value of government.

Dude, they're not free-marketeers; they're profiteers.

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It is intriguing how, when disaster strikes, free marketeers suddenly rediscover the value of government.

Dude, they're not free-marketeers; they're profiteers.

I was referring less to BP than to our conservative brethren who see the market as the source of all salvation and deride the government as the source of all ills.

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The reason Obama did nothing for a month is because he was listening to and trusting the "experts" you said he should be listening to and trusting now.

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He has anything and everything available to him to help resolve this horrendous disaster, and Cameron and Cosner are right up there on the most desirable minds to use ? 

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I have all the confidence that hollywood actors will be able to fix this problem, maybe in 3D..

It's not about "fixing this problem", it's about being able to see what is going on down there more accurately.

For fuck's sake. Did you read my link, rulemylife ?

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The Obama administration yesterday called in Hollywood director James Cameron, of “Titanic” and “Avatar” fame,  to help fix the massive gusher fouling the Gulf of Mexico.

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Cameron’s expertise in underwater filming and remote-vehicle technologies earned him a seat with elite scientists gathered in Washington in a desparate bid to find a solution to the leak , which has been spewing crude for six weeks.


From where do you read he was there to help have a little looksee, a gander or a peeka boo . in the name of accuracy ?

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Nope, I do not. Making a movie, where there isn't gallons of oil spilling onto your " set " < your set meaning underwater> and where you can abandon your scene if things go awry is controlled. No harm can come from stopping filming to correct a glitch or to send down another robot if robot 1 gets messed up. That is what I mean by controlled
 
So why don't you name everyone in the world who is an expert on millions of gallons of oil spilling into the gulf.  THERE ARE NO EXPERTS ON SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE.

Sure I do. Is James Cameron that guy ? Maybe. But then again BP has robotics down there and it ain't working
Then maybe they should at least TRY  the ones James Cameron designed. If what they are using now is not working it makes sense to try something else doesn't it?

I dunno, what exactly is BP suppose to do about the leak ? I suppose the answer is the same. Fix the damn hole.
BP IS SUPPOSED TO CLEAN UP THE MESS THEY MADE!  that's what they are supposed to do about the leak. Obama did not cause this BP CAUSED THIS. ITS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. All Obama should do is put a foot in their asses.

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However, I did hear that, despite the dangers, Obama plans to leave massive amounts of dihydrogen oxide in the Gulf, even long after the spill is a memory.

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However, I did hear that, despite the dangers, Obama plans to leave massive amounts of dihydrogen oxide in the Gulf, even long after the spill is a memory.

How would he go about getting it out?

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Exclusive: Goldman Sachs sold $250m of BP before spill

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However, I did hear that, despite the dangers, Obama plans to leave massive amounts of dihydrogen oxide in the Gulf, even long after the spill is a memory.

How would he go about getting it out?

It'll be a disaster. Hurricanes will bring it ashore, it will get into acid rain, it interferes with highway safety, and while even a few tablespoons would kill you if you breathed it, it can be found in every home and every school, even in children's bodies.

Yet Obama does nothing!

Even now, the waves are pounding it against our beaches.