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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 9:56:07 AM

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moutas, in the heat of passion when we cry out "Oh God! Oh God!"...we don't really mean it....we're not actually addressing you...

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 9:58:33 AM

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You are welcome. I have met quite a few Ds couples who practice Goddess worship and a surprising number of slaves who wanted to deify me. Its not really my thing, but I still find it VERY interesting. I think Goddess worship is a little easier to understand since feminine aspects have be virtually erased from the dominant religions today. It seems rational to me that people would seek out a Goddess. Even though I was raised a Christian it always seemed funny to me that the Christian faith believes in aTrinity that consists of 3 males: Father, Holy Spirit and Son. Logic would dictate that there should be a female in that spiritual equation, but of course its heresy to even question that. I could actually go on forever if this topic was about Goddess worship. But since its not, I will stop here.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:07:44 AM

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if one is a pantheist (or panentheist), this is not an issue.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:11:51 AM

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Honestly, I don't think this is nearly as meriting of ridicule as some here seem to think. It is not the first time that I have heard people -- real people in real life -- insist that anyone who served hir/yielded to hir would have to think of hir as the "god" in hir world. I think about how many women call themselves "Goddess", and how many men go by "Lord". I think that if one feels this way, it is important to make sure that such beliefs are clearly presented at the outset of negotiations -- so that someone who could not abide with such an idea would have the chance to walk away before finding out that xhe would be expected to give up hir spirituality -- which, for most people, would be unthinkable.

To me, giving up responsibility for your soul is unthinkable (and i am a very spiritual Christian, just so you know where i am coming from). It is also unthinkable that a master who cares for the well being of his slave would expect her to toss away her beliefs. I want to comment on an ego that is close to the level of a psychosis for him to understand her beliefs (not necessarily share them) and expect her to find him worthy of surrendering her spirituality. If that is his expectation he is so far out of line and the compatibility is not there.

Calla...there are three aspects of well being as practiced in the health care field. If a Master is accepting responsibility for a slave and her well being, he needs to understand that total health consists of the physical, emotional and the SPIRITUAL.

What would you be saying if the op said his slave was to recieve no more health care, either for a current condition or if she was ill in the future? If she is a renal patient now or in the future and he no longer permitted her to go to a dialysis clinic three times a week because she is devoting her time somewhere other than him? What if he told her that her physical health was no longer any of her business, in the same way he feels her spiritual health does not concern her any longer?

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It is not of her business anymore if her devotions and prayers are transmitted to an eventual creator.

Would you tell him he is a self centered bastard who is NOT accepting responsibility for her and does not deserve the title of "Master"? I sure as hell would!!!!!!!

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:17:53 AM

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True and I will admit there is a bit of pantheism in my personal belief system. However, I belive that The One is All and the All is One. Which means personally God can be and is whatever my need is. Strange but works for me.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:22:29 AM

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. Even though I was raised a Christian it always seemed funny to me that the Christian faith believes in aTrinity that consists of 3 males: Father, Holy Spirit and Son.

I don't want to hijack with a spiritual debate, but i am guessing that you were taught the Trinity at about the same time some Christians believed there was a massive penalty box in the sky known as Purgatory?
The "new wave" thought if you will...God is a "he" simply because it is easier to think of a "he" impregnating a virgin. The son is a "he" because...well...he was a "he". The Holy Spirit is, as is all else (including God) without gender.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:25:50 AM

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All of you submissives will be gratified to know that I am founding a religion (the Order of the Kinky Jew) which you are required to join or else be thought of as fake.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:31:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
If a Master is accepting responsibility for a slave and her well being, he needs to understand that total health consists of the physical, emotional and the SPIRITUAL.

Would you tell him he is a self centered bastard who is NOT accepting responsibility for her and does not deserve the title of "Master"? I sure as hell would!!!!!!!

I agree.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:37:01 AM

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No, I was never taught purgatory, I was taught heaven or hell were the only two places you can go after death.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:37:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

No, I was never taught purgatory, I was taught heaven or hell were the only two places you can go after death.

i was talking about the time frame.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:41:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

The "new wave" thought if you will...God is a "he" simply because it is easier to think of a "he" impregnating a virgin. The son is a "he" because...well...he was a "he". The Holy Spirit is, as is all else (including God) without gender.

I said this very recently on another thread.

Considering the time and place, rights of males to travel and so forth and literally no rights for females, if you were God, wouldn't you have picked the gender of the child to be male? That part actually seems very logical to Me considering the climate of the times.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:42:08 AM

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Crikey the celestial plains must be getting over crowded if all the Masters, Mistresses and sundry slave Owners have been elevated to Godhood by the simple pressing of a computer key which posted the OP's Diving Proclamation! As a Pagan I can actually understand and lets face it what is another thousand new Gods and Goddesses between kink mates. But just think of those additional religious holidays (Birthdays) for each one. No work would ever get done or at least society would be seriously disrupted when everyone celebrates the feast day of their personal deity (Owner). On the bright side, as a newly acclaimed God, I declare I am above being taxed or paying for anything. All manner of goodies from KFCs to coffee, clothes and even new cars shall from this day forth (and fifth) be given to me as tribute. Somehow I can't see this working to well though. Traditionally the ancient ones (Deities from pre history to the present time) have this jealous streak. Just read the stories of the gods of the Roman and Greeks and not to forget Jehovah who was a tad pissed off when people, his people started worshipping idols and generally having a licentious time in Sodom and Gomorrah. Bugger me dead, I already five times been rejected from Heaven for wanting to corrupt the angelic host and collaring them and rejected five times from hell for wanting to make if a BDSM resort. hate to think what reception I'd get if I booted open the pearly gates or the doors to hell and informed them I was now a God.

Me thinkest that the OP must have been heavily on the French wines and aperitifs or perhaps he typed the OP all wrong due to a fatigued hand after entertaining Mrs Palmer and her five daughters. This has to rank amongst the weirdest thread I've seen on CM.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:43:42 AM

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Well I was born in 1970 and was brought up in the Christian faith as far back as I can remember. Not sure when purgatory was being taught.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 10:55:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

The "new wave" thought if you will...God is a "he" simply because it is easier to think of a "he" impregnating a virgin. The son is a "he" because...well...he was a "he". The Holy Spirit is, as is all else (including God) without gender.

I said this very recently on another thread.

Considering the time and place, rights of males to travel and so forth and literally no rights for females, if you were God, wouldn't you have picked the gender of the child to be male? That part actually seems very logical to Me considering the climate of the times.

To say nothing of tossing a monkey wrench into Mary Magdalene's role.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 11:04:06 AM

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Calla...there are three aspects of well being as practiced in the health care field. If a Master is accepting responsibility for a slave and her well being, he needs to understand that total health consists of the physical, emotional and the SPIRITUAL.

I completely understand your point, Holly -- and it's for that reason that I said that being clear about this expectation would be crucial in the early stages of the relationship. You see, in a carefully-wrought relationship where deification of the Keeper (my terminology -- you can insert master, lord, lady, mistress... whatever floats your fancy) is part of the process, the Keeper in question -would- be attending to the servant's (again, my term -- substitute whatever you prefer here) spiritual needs, by providing hirself as the spiritual focus for that servant. Admittedly, that would be a very poor fit for you, as you already -have- a deity to whom you are committed... but perhaps not so much for someone who was looking for a Keeper to deify... see what I mean?

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 11:05:06 AM

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Yes, it's going to be a long summer and yes, it seems to have started early.

I look at this from a very simple and realistic perspective. I know for a fact that I am not God. (People can debate the existence of God, or whatever Higher Power pleases them to death without Me. I seriously have no interest in challenging anyone's faith.) There are references in several religions to what constitutes attributing how to obey more than one ruler of a person's life. (I said "ruler" not multiple "Gods" so let's not go there either.) The very distinction is that each has a specific position in regard to whom is being ruled.

If someone wants to attempt to be a person's God, if it's working for you, more power to you. It just isn't a policy that I could undertake until such time as I actual become an omnipotent being.

well stated.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 11:06:26 AM

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I look at this from a very simple and realistic perspective. I know for a fact that I am not God.

How are you so sure about that? Maybe you are and you just missed the memo?

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 11:09:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Crikey the celestial plains must be getting over crowded if all the Masters, Mistresses and sundry slave Owners have been elevated to Godhood by the simple pressing of a computer key which posted the OP's Diving Proclamation! As a Pagan I can actually understand and lets face it what is another thousand new Gods and Goddesses between kink mates. But just think of those additional religious holidays (Birthdays) for each one. No work would ever get done or at least society would be seriously disrupted when everyone celebrates the feast day of their personal deity (Owner). On the bright side, as a newly acclaimed God, I declare I am above being taxed or paying for anything. All manner of goodies from KFCs to coffee, clothes and even new cars shall from this day forth (and fifth) be given to me as tribute.

Actually, I'm tentatively in the "I am God -- Thou art God--All is God" camp... I really can't decide between that and the "There is no god--but there is a really active collective consciousness" camp... mostly because I can't really tell the difference between the two. That being said, it seems to me that if you are a god, and I am a god... that sort of negates any of the "special benefits for gods" category, since everything qualifies, which means that nothing gets "special treatment". *LOL*

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 11:10:55 AM

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IMO, if the slave freely chooses to convert to Master's/Mistresses' religion it is fine.
However, demanding it or forcing it onto slave is wrong.

When it comes to worshiping Masters and Mistresses as gods/goddesses, again the slave has all the rights to do it if he/she chooses.
For me, personally, this is ridiculous, but if he/she chooses it, and if Master/Mistress is OK with it, then OK.

However, demanding to be worshiped as god or goddess, is very wrong.

In general, I think that the slave should have absolute freedom of religion, and whatever he or she believes in, should be his/her own choice.

BTW, I am a Christian, and I would never change my religion. Also I would not try to convert anyone by force if this is not their free choice.

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RE: SLAVE AND RELIGION - 6/3/2010 11:11:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: Pyramus

hir?

I use gender-neuter pronouns when posting to the boards.

Calla

Is "hir" an actual word?

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