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Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 12:41:26 AM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		If you want to lower property crime - reduce the need for addicts, who can't live without the stuff, who steal to support their habits.

This may be interesting to the White House and California.


Free heroin gives good results
Reduced crime and prostitution and increased health among addicts as a result of free heroin.

A test-run of issuing free heroin to addicts in Copenhagen - Denmark - appears to be successful, with initial results showing reduced crime and prostitution and improved health and life quality for those taking part in the project.

http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article985984.ece
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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 12:46:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's sort of obvious, because for a heroin addict, heroin is like the #1 expense in their life, and if their income comes from crime or prostitution then they will need to commit less crime or prostitution when that expense is taken care of.

It must be cool to live in a country that is so financially set that it's able to reach out to even the most unsympathetic homeless.

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 12:47:18 AM   
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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 12:50:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps spiritual fulfillment and the Good Word could replace their addiction to worldly chemicals?

Or if they fail to assimilate, they could be given treatment with some tryptamines  of the 2C variety which were synthesized by Alexander Shulgun. In limited tests they were shown to curb addiction before becoming illegal through the analogue act due to their psychedelic properties.

But that is only if they don't accept the word of VelociChrist.


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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 1:21:01 AM   
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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 3:23:10 AM   
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Wouldn't this be interesting to Ottowa as well?  Or don't they have heroin, theft or prostitution in Canada?

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 3:54:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good idea. A generation lost, with the drugs supplied by the government. What do you do with all of the addicts once they are hooked on heroine ?

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 3:56:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		This was done in Reading (I think) England too - and with similar success.

Lets be clear, we need as far as we're able to fight the trade in heroin, but in doing that we need to recognise addicts as victims of that trade, not criminals. Even their low level dealing is done primarily to fund their own habit or on behalf of those higher in the distribution chain as a form of employment paid with heroin.

What is important is to prevent new victims and to help those already fallen victim, rather than locking them in a prison where they either continue by way of the rampant smuggling in places or die from withdrawal.

We have a heroin dealer in the next street. Everyone knows it and everyone knows him, even the police. The police do nothing about him and for a simple reason - there is an arrangement in place whereby everyone would prefer him as a reasonably sensible guy to be distributing to the several existing addicts here, than for him to go to prison and be replaced with the kind of dealer who comes with a posse and guns, which sure as night follows day would be the case. Its sort of our own little experiment in dealing with the problem and has worked well for some years now.

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 5:16:59 AM   
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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 6:27:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting idea brain. Why don't you folks in Canada give it a try and let us know how it works for you?

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 6:29:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		How come no one thinks free single malt whisky is a good idea?

The MacCallan 18 yr old is expensive!

I could drink the 12 yr old................... but I don't want to violate TOS

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 6:39:17 AM   
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How come no one thinks free single malt whisky is a good idea?

The MacCallan 18 yr old is expensive!

I could drink the 12 yr old................... but I don't want to violate TOS


Actually that is a very good question. Why are they only targeting heroin users?  Don't they care about the crack addicts?


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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 6:56:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought they already did this sort of thing in California?  Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall something I saw on tv where addicts go for their daily dose of methadone.  California still has its crime and its drug addicts, though.  I know methadone isn't heroin, but I am in no way in favor of giving heroin to an addict.  Why don't we just give crack to crack addicts, and prescription drugs to those addicted to them too.  I think thats a silent sort of genicide.  Or is that the idea?

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 6:58:01 AM   
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Actually that is a very good question. Why are they only targeting heroin users?  Don't they care about the crack addicts?



Beat me to the punch, thishereboi


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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 7:59:31 AM   
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How come no one thinks free single malt whisky is a good idea?

The MacCallan 18 yr old is expensive!

I could drink the 12 yr old................... but I don't want to violate TOS


Actually that is a very good question. Why are they only targeting heroin users?  Don't they care about the crack addicts?



Why not take them all to Disneyland?

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 9:30:50 AM   
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I thought they already did this sort of thing in California?  Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall something I saw on tv where addicts go for their daily dose of methadone.  California still has its crime and its drug addicts, though.  I know methadone isn't heroin, but I am in no way in favor of giving heroin to an addict.

Why


  Why don't we just give crack to crack addicts,

Were you aware that crack is the purest form of cocaine?
Were you aware that cocaine is not physically addictive?


and prescription drugs to those addicted to them too.  I think thats a silent sort of genicide.  Or is that the idea?

Do you feel that those who do drugs are inhibited in thier use by the laws against said drugs?
Do you feel that those who do not do drugs would begin using drugs if there were no laws against said drugs?


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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 9:35:10 AM   
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That's sort of obvious, because for a heroin addict, heroin is like the #1 expense in their life, and if their income comes from crime or prostitution then they will need to commit less crime or prostitution when that expense is taken care of.

Actually the no.1 abusers of opiats are doctors and nurses...comparatively well paid and the payments on their homes,cars and boats far exceed the cost of their drugs.

It must be cool to live in a country that is so financially set that it's able to reach out to even the most unsympathetic homeless.


Would you have a clue as to how cheap pharmaceutical heroin is?

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 9:37:58 AM   
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How come no one thinks free single malt whisky is a good idea?

The MacCallan 18 yr old is expensive!

I could drink the 12 yr old................... but I don't want to violate TOS


What percentage of the cost of that 18 year old is tax?

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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 9:57:36 AM   
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I thought they already did this sort of thing in California?  Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall something I saw on tv where addicts go for their daily dose of methadone.  California still has its crime and its drug addicts, though.  I know methadone isn't heroin, but I am in no way in favor of giving heroin to an addict.

Why


Why don't we just give crack to crack addicts,

Were you aware that crack is the purest form of cocaine?
Were you aware that cocaine is not physically addictive?


and prescription drugs to those addicted to them too.  I think thats a silent sort of genicide.  Or is that the idea?

Do you feel that those who do drugs are inhibited in thier use by the laws against said drugs?
Do you feel that those who do not do drugs would begin using drugs if there were no laws against said drugs?




Simply put, because those kinds of drugs weaken the immune system and cause more harm than good.  I don't believe in the theory that 2 wrongs make a right.  If you support it, good for you.  I just don't.

**editted to add**  I am not against the use of drugs when there is a need for drugs.  In fact, its a persons own body, I am not even against them using drugs illegally for a high.  But I do not believe in contributing to an addiction because it does more harm to that addict. 

Unless, like I said earlier, the goal is to silently let them kill themselves with their own addiction, so our safety is ensured and the problem goes away.


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RE: Free heroin gives good results - 6/4/2010 10:04:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Louve00

I thought they already did this sort of thing in California?  Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall something I saw on tv where addicts go for their daily dose of methadone.  California still has its crime and its drug addicts, though.  I know methadone isn't heroin, but I am in no way in favor of giving heroin to an addict.

Why


Why don't we just give crack to crack addicts,

Were you aware that crack is the purest form of cocaine?
Were you aware that cocaine is not physically addictive?


and prescription drugs to those addicted to them too.  I think thats a silent sort of genicide.  Or is that the idea?

Do you feel that those who do drugs are inhibited in thier use by the laws against said drugs?
Do you feel that those who do not do drugs would begin using drugs if there were no laws against said drugs?




Simply put, because those kinds of drugs weaken the immune system and cause more harm than good.

I have not seen any data to validate that position.
There is sufficient evidence to show that heroin is a dibilitating substance.


  I don't believe in the theory that 2 wrongs make a right. 

You are making a moral judgement and not a medical one. Consider chemo-therapy for cancer patientes...have we compared the long term survival rates of both chemo-therapy and heroin supliments.?

If you support it, good for you.  I just don't.

I am in favor of pragmatic sanctions that work. What we are doing now clearly is not working.



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