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ORIGINAL: vincentML

She also said the Israelis were "occupiers." A biased/bigoted statment

So, you are telling me that "get the hell out" is now a code word for bigotry? code word? none needed. It conveys her attitude and bias very clearly

If a Syrian said the United States should "get the hell out" of Iraq is that not political speech? Or does it cross over to hate speech? The United States is not an ethic group/race/religion. Substitute "blacks should get the hell out and return to Africa", "legal Mexican immigrants should get the hell out and go back south of the Border" or whatever group and place you choose and yes, its hate speech. If you don't see that you dont want to open your eyes because it involves a group you don't particularly empathize with.

Quite honestly, I have never heard this before... that "get the hell out" is an equivalent to hate speech.

Is that why the old girl is being reviled? Because she was rude in her choice of words? Really? Shes being reviled because she has long been attempting to hide her anti-semitism. Now that her senility has let it out of the closet, she deserves everything she gets.

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ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

She also said the Israelis were "occupiers." A biased/bigoted statment

So, you are telling me that "get the hell out" is now a code word for bigotry? code word? none needed. It conveys her attitude and bias very clearly

If a Syrian said the United States should "get the hell out" of Iraq is that not political speech? Or does it cross over to hate speech? The United States is not an ethic group/race/religion. Substitute "blacks should get the hell out and return to Africa", "legal Mexican immigrants should get the hell out and go back south of the Border" or whatever group and place you choose and yes, its hate speech. If you don't see that you dont want to open your eyes because it involves a group you don't particularly empathize with.

Quite honestly, I have never heard this before... that "get the hell out" is an equivalent to hate speech.

Is that why the old girl is being reviled? Because she was rude in her choice of words? Really? Shes being reviled because she has long been attempting to hide her anti-semitism. Now that her senility has let it out of the closet, she deserves everything she gets.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: NewOCDaddy

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

She also said the Israelis were "occupiers." A biased/bigoted statment

So, you are telling me that "get the hell out" is now a code word for bigotry? code word? none needed. It conveys her attitude and bias very clearly

If a Syrian said the United States should "get the hell out" of Iraq is that not political speech? Or does it cross over to hate speech? The United States is not an ethic group/race/religion. Substitute "blacks should get the hell out and return to Africa", "legal Mexican immigrants should get the hell out and go back south of the Border" or whatever group and place you choose and yes, its hate speech. If you don't see that you dont want to open your eyes because it involves a group you don't particularly empathize with.

Quite honestly, I have never heard this before... that "get the hell out" is an equivalent to hate speech.

Is that why the old girl is being reviled? Because she was rude in her choice of words? Really? Shes being reviled because she has long been attempting to hide her anti-semitism. Now that her senility has let it out of the closet, she deserves everything she gets.

I see that you are new to posting to this site but that doesn't excuse you from being a lazy dumb fuck who doesn't bother to read the rest of thread. I already presented the answer to my own question in my Post #79 where I concurred her remarks were antisemetic and hate speech.

Asshole.

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I didn't go back and listen to her again, but the impression I got was that she meant "All Jews get the hell out of the Middle East. Go back to Europe, or wherever else you came from." As in the entire state of Israeli shouldn't exist.

I think that steps over the line.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I would say that her comment turned hateful when she said they should return to Poland and Germany where millions of Jews and others were murdered in gas chambers...

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Worst rhyme ever
It may have seemed quite clever
But when one checks the scan
Its bleedin' awful, man

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I would say that her comment turned hateful when she said they should return to Poland and Germany where millions of Jews and others were murdered in gas chambers...

Is that something that is still going on?

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Actually, I think it is, TX, at least in the hearts and minds of many Jews, and that it why it was so offensive. Upon that is added the anger of the surrounding Middle-Easterners coupled with the Holocaust-denying, Nuclear-rattling comments of Ahmadinejad. So Jews in Israel and out feel existentially threatened.

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Actually, I think it is, TX, at least in the hearts and minds of many Jews, and that it why it was so offensive. Upon that is added the anger of the surrounding Middle-Easterners coupled with the Holocaust-denying, Nuclear-rattling comments of Ahmadinejad. So Jews in Israel and out feel existentially threatened.

Hearts and minds are one thing but my question was to the reality. I have many friends who are ultra sensitive to things anti-semite and when I have questioned them about their vacation experiences in germany,poland,ukrane,bulgaria and romania they have not spoken of either overt or covert anti-semitism. I will qualify that with these vacations were in the 70's and 80's, but they were by people who had a vested interest in finding anti-semitism and reported that they where happily surprised.
I have watched several times the only interview with ahmadinejad that I have seen in english. The one on "60 minutes" with mike wallace. His position was that what happened to the jews happened in europe and that the allies should have made a place in europe for these suvivors of the holocast. I did not hear him express any disagreement or disbelief in the holocast.
I have heard many on these boards reply that they would believe what "someone else said he said" rather than take his own words.
That they are there is a "fait acompli" just as southwestern u.s. which used to be part of mexico is now part of the u.s.
Dealing with it rationally and logically seems a more productive avenue than removal.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I would say that her comment turned hateful when she said they should return to Poland and Germany where millions of Jews and others were murdered in gas chambers...

Is that something that is still going on?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Are you aware of how the israelie state was created?
What percentage of the israelie state are not jews?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I did not hear him express any disagreement or disbelief in the holocast.