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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 12:59:47 PM   
Rochsub2009


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pfffffffffffffff... get your face out of that fake woman!



Why?  i like worshiping mannequins.  

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 1:21:33 PM   
SocratesNot


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A Man has a choice, treat what He owns with care and admiration or neglect it and watch as it diminishes.


Not completely, if he neglects her for too long she may leave.

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Why would anyone neglect to change the oil in a new car or allow their home to remain in disrepair?


No one normal and responsible would do it. But if he is an asshole, well, then this might happen.


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If a Man owns a girl, He must cherish that gift…nurture it and enhance the quality.


I agree with this 100% I'm just not sure if he can really enhance the quality, but if he tries it can't hurt. He just should not try to make her into something that she is not or something that she doesn't even have the potential to become.


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 Most don’t realize the responsibility of accepting owning a girl…


Most DO realize it, those who don't shouldn't be trusted.
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she is not capable of success or failure on her own.


Yes and no. She is definitely capable of success on her own, but once she enters the relationship, it depends on the Master as well.
However, my opinion is that every good Master would try to increase her ability to succeed on her own, not to undermine it.

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If she fails Him, He is responsible for that failure.


Quite true, but not completely. It also depends on her to a certain extent, but the responsibility is primarily his.

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 If she becomes the gem that she can be, He created her.


Bullshit. If she wasn't gem in the first place he would never be able to "create" her.
But even the diamonds are subject to cutting.



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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 1:48:52 PM   
takingu84116


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Status: offline 		Alright...point taken. I'll sit back and observe how the community works... I wrote in a reflective moment afer reading several profiles that appeared to carry a similar theme...

But, now that we have a discussion... Clearly many of you think my comment, or monologue, was misguided. On the surface I can see how it could be taken many different ways. Here's a simple example of what I meant that she is no capable of failure on her own.

If she knows that I expect her to be wearing certain clothing when I arrive home on Thursdays and when I get home I find that she has not met my expectations, has she failed or have I failed to train her properly? Yes, this is a basic example, but makes a point. If I trained her correctly, then she would of course meet my expectations. Does this mean she won't be corrected? No, she will of course need to learn. Now, life is not this simple... It takes time an a lot of dedication to build a successful relationship. But, I believe that I am responsible for guiding that success.

I do appreciate all of your comments... this has been an interesting experience.

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 1:59:59 PM   
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If she knows that I expect her to be wearing certain clothing when I arrive home on Thursdays and when I get home I find that she has not met my expectations, has she failed or have I failed to train her properly?

Maybe she's on the rag and you told her to wear a white cotton skirt with no panties, even though guests are coming over in an hour, or even though you two agreed to limit clothing expenditures because your hours were reduced at work.  In a situation like that, your capacity to cut orders sucks.  It's not a failure on the sub's behalf, or a lack of training.  It's the dominant's lack of ability to manage and lead.

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:04:13 PM   
takingu84116


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Status: offline 		LOL, okay... I see the simple point got nowhere.... enjoy your playtime here.

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:09:56 PM   
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If she knows that I expect her to be wearing certain clothing when I arrive home on Thursdays and when I get home I find that she has not met my expectations, has she failed or have I failed to train her properly?


I'd say it was communication failure. And since you fancy yourself some kind of total control Dom, then the blame would fall slightly on your side.

I do not have delusions of being a total control Domme. I date smart and strong men. If they see an issue such as the one RedMagic1 exposed in his response to you, they will tell me. They know we are a team and we need to communicate with one another if our team is going to make it.

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:10:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: takingu84116

LOL, okay... I see the simple point got nowhere.... enjoy your playtime here.

I am trying to explain something important to you.  The point is not "simple."

"The true leader must be stern in the correct way, not merely stern."  -- Solon

If you misunderstand social situations on a regular basis, not just here, then the orders you cut your subordinates will frequently be flawed.  Your subordinates, then, will be conflicted between the specific order ("wear this on Thursday") and the general order ("don't make us look bad in front of my boss whenever he comes over for dinner").  Your subordinates will then make a decision, or freak out, and -- whatever happens -- it won't be what you wanted because you weren't sufficiently capable in your issuing of orders.

The dom needs as much training as the sub -- maybe more.


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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:11:50 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: takingu84116

LOL, okay... I see the simple point got nowhere.... enjoy your playtime here.


The thing is, you didn't expose a simple point.

If you stop and consider what some people are saying here, people who've learned through real life experience, you might learn a thing or two and use this knowledge to your advantage.

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:13:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: takingu84116

LOL, okay... I see the simple point got nowhere.... enjoy your playtime here.



You're not going to give up that easily, are you?  Red Magic made a very valid point.  His exception to your rule seems sound to me.  Are you going to run away simply because he found a flaw in your logic?

Another approach might have been to acknowledge that RedMagic made a valid point, and then discuss the point with him, or explain why you disagree with his point.  That's how conversations work. 

< Message edited by Rochsub2009 -- 6/5/2010 2:15:54 PM >

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:15:19 PM   
LittleBroken


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Status: offline 		And thusly, The all powerful sub conquering Dom of Destiny has spoken.

Oh the power!
Oh the ecstasy!
*yawn*
Oh the magnificence!

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:16:59 PM   
thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: takingu84116

LOL, okay... I see the simple point got nowhere.... enjoy your playtime here.


If you had any idea how condescending you sound when you post, you might understand the responses.


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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:17:28 PM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
Another approach might have been to acknowledge that RedMagic made a valid point, and then discuss the point with him, or explain why you disagree with his point.  That's how conversations work. 


It might also be good training for the OP in the art of communication!

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:23:21 PM   
Rochsub2009


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It might also be good training for the OP in the art of communication!



Nah!  He does the training.  He's too omnipotent and omniscient to actually accept any training from others.

The sad part is that i think he would have actually learned something if he had stuck around.  Red Magic made great points that i think would have benefited the OP.


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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:27:51 PM   
LadyAngelika


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Red Magic made great points that i think would have benefited the OP.


Agreed.

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:29:33 PM   
laurell3


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Status: offline 		Haha, I agree with SN and I think what he points out is the problem with the OP's approach. (good post SN). Here, most DO know the responsibility and gravity of ownership.

I am completely capable of success or failure on my own. What do you think she was doing before she met you? Waiting in stasis for the white knight to come tell her how to breathe?

Hypothetically, if my Dom fails consistently and it has a negative effect on me, that failure is still mine for choosing him. If I fail at something as simple as wearing certain clothing, something is definitely wrong or I'm just not that into the guy. Perhaps the example given was not the best one, as any idiot can put an outfit on without much direction and you won't find many of those here OP.

I agree in ALL relationships both parties should do what they can to enhance the other person's life. That's not one-sided however. I tend to see these things as OUR issues and not "failure" at all though. If you couch all instances where your expectations aren't met as "failure" on her part, I agree the problem is yours. In all relationships, learning about each other is a process.



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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:33:42 PM   
takingu84116


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Status: offline 		My point was totally taken down a different road than I imagined. Oh well... I wasn't reflecting upon some sort of personal struggle when I wrote the original post. I was reflecting upon profiles that I had read. Where I "failed" was not understanding the proper etiquette for this forum... Lesson learned. I appreciate all of your comments...this has been interesting to say the least.

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:40:53 PM   
laurell3


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Status: offline 		haha well welcome to the forums. You're fine, what DID you mean? Ignore the snark or just explain it more specifically when people don't get it. All we have here is words and it's not really personal when people don't agree with your words.

So tell us what did you mean?

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:41:21 PM   
Jeffff


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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

pfffffffffffffff... get your face out of that fake woman!



Why?  i like worshiping mannequins.  




Oops... I did not mean to mock your kink........

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:44:13 PM   
jbcurious


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: takingu84116

LOL, okay... I see the simple point got nowhere.... enjoy your playtime here.


If you had any idea how condescending you sound when you post, you might understand the responses.



That's nothing compared to his profile which is basicly a rant about how weak and ineffectual most men are... him being the exception of course with a snide little "you ladies know what I mean".

Sorry, but to me anyone who needs to put others down in order for their light to shine, doesn't have a very bright bulb...

I won't comment on the wounded bird story...

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RE: The responsibility of ownership - 6/5/2010 2:46:42 PM   
Rochsub2009


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Oops... I did not mean to mock your kink........



I guess we're even.  After all, i've mocked you for eating insects. 

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