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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:21:04 PM   
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I'm not talking about sadomasochism. I'm talking about genuine abusive relationships -

for example relationships in which the Dom continually shows disrespect towards the slave, always inflicts bad type of pain on her, neglects her needs, ignores her, damages her emotionally and mentally etc.



Again I submit to someone who fulfills a need in me..

What you say or deem abusive, when you are not an active participant in each relationship you are speculating about, it shows how much you dont understand.

Some people want to be treated like crap, some people enjoy that type of relationship, there have been many times in my life, where i have submitted to acts that were the "bad" type of pain or were neglectful of my needs at the time, Ive been ignored more times then i count. However The pro con list always put that partner in the positive, meaning what he offers far outweighs what he doesnt.

Also If im being punished... Im not supposed to like it, punishment is done because ive done what my partner doesnt consider healthy for our relationship..

And your last post, do you know how many people HONESTLY suffer from these types of illnesses I think if you did actual research... youd find its not that common, Ive been researching and looking into bdsm for many many years now.... and have never heard a single case of what you describe.

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:30:41 PM   
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And it took him 3 pages to finally define what he was talking about with clarity.

~ETA because i miscounted... lol

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:32:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		But what if the breaking of bones, the mental torture, the abuse was consensual. Then what?

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:37:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the whole "slave" thing can definitely be a dangerous headfuck when you allow yourself to get that deeply into it, BUT the same thing happens in non-bdsm relationships too. People become convinced that they have no choice but to put up with something, or they get to a point where they believe they can't leave, or can't live without the other person, even if they're not necessarily happy.

You can zero in on bdsm and call it the "slave delusion", or you can take a look around at the rest of the world and see how many regular people live their lives under such delusions and beliefs as well.

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:38:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think they need professional help, but their kink is not my kink, and if they're happy as a clam having their bones broken on purpose, then go for it, but they forfeit the right to complain or expect sympathy if later on in life their kink for broken bones leads to serious pain or malformation or something later on down the road.
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But what if the breaking of bones, the mental torture, the abuse was consensual. Then what?

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:41:22 PM   
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But what if the breaking of bones, the mental torture, the abuse was consensual. Then what?


You tell me, then what!

I will ask you a question:

What if cutting the slave's penis and eating it together with Master and then killing the slave and eating him is consensual?

And I will give you an answer:

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Armin Meiwes (English pronunciation: /ˈɑːmiːn ˈmaɪvəs/ AH-meen-MYE-vəs, with a silent R; born December 1, 1961) is a German man who achieved international notoriety for killing and eating a voluntary victim whom he had found via the Internet. After Meiwes and the victim jointly attempted to eat the victim's severed penis, Meiwes killed his victim and proceeded to eat a large amount of his flesh.[3] Because of his deeds, Meiwes is also known as the Rotenburg Cannibal or Der Metzgermeister (The Master Butcher). Since entering prison, Meiwes has become a vegetarian[4] and has joined a prisoners' group favoring Green Party politics.[5][6]


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Meiwes was arrested in December 2002, after a college student in Innsbruck phoned the police after seeing new advertisements for victims and details about the killing on the Internet. Investigators searched his home and found body parts and the videotaped killing. On January 30, 2004, Meiwes was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to eight and a half years in prison. The case attracted considerable media attention and led to a debate over whether Meiwes could be convicted at all, given that Bernd Jürgen Brandes had voluntarily and knowingly participated in the act.[2] Meiwes has admitted what he did, and expressed regret for his actions. He added he wanted to write a book of his life story with the aim of deterring anyone who wants to follow his steps. Websites dedicated to Meiwes have appeared, with people advertising for willing victims. "They should go for treatment, so it doesn't escalate like it did with me", said Meiwes. He believes there are more than 800 cannibals in Germany.



OK, nevertheless, I'll try to answer your question:
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But what if the breaking of bones, the mental torture, the abuse was consensual. Then what?


Even if this was consensual this is not a good thing. We should try to encourage people to leave such relationship.
Even if they crave it, they will leave this relationship with permanent physical and mental damage.
People who voluntarily consent to such things really need therapy, and we should encourage them to leave such relationships and to
seek therapy as soon as possible, before it's too late.


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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:44:56 PM   
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Let me offer you a site to read.

http://www.kinkmagic.com/pleasurepain.html

Perhaps this may help.

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:45:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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<snip>punished in the ways she doesn't like to be<snip>


SN, she isn't supposed to enjoy punishment, that's why it's punishment. If she's enjoying it, it's hardly going to work as punishment is it?


Of course that she isn't supposed to enjoy punishment.  But there is acceptable punishment and unacceptable punishment.

Acceptable punishment hurts and is very unpleasant but doesn't cause long term harm.
Unacceptable punishment leaves permanent physical or mental damage.



All of which is subjective. There is no such thing as acceptable and unacceptable punishment.


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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:49:10 PM   
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There is no such thing as acceptable and unacceptable punishment.


OK, would it be acceptable to you if your Master amputated your arm because of your disobedience?

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:51:46 PM   
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There is no such thing as acceptable and unacceptable punishment.


OK, would it be acceptable to you that if your Master amputated your arm because of your disobedience?


you have got to learn the difference between abuse and punishment. You are reaching with that example which is of course...... ABUSE!


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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:51:48 PM   
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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:52:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why would you consider someone who would do this a "Master"? Why would you believe this would even happen? Why do you insist on going to the extremes?

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:57:10 PM   
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Why would you consider someone who would do this a "Master"? Why would you believe this would even happen? Why do you insist on going to the extremes?


Because such things DO happen. Have you read about Armin Meiwes and his estimation that there are 800 cannibals in Germany?


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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 5:59:13 PM   
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Cannibals, dont equate Masters, they equate people who like the taste of human flesh...

If you want to talk about cannibals... go to www.iwannatalkaboutcannibals.com....

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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 6:00:34 PM   
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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 6:02:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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Why would you consider someone who would do this a "Master"? Why would you believe this would even happen? Why do you insist on going to the extremes?


Because such things DO happen. Have you read about Armin Meiwes and his estimation that there are 800 cannibals in Germany?



Again.....this is A B U S E which is not someone who is a Master is going to do.  Seriously dude, amputations? cannibalism. Time to go to bed you're not thinking clearly


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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 6:03:31 PM   
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And you still insist that this is a person who deserves the title "Master"?


He doesn't deserve the title, but he likes to be called this way, and the slave calls him Master.


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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 6:06:43 PM   
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Again.....this is A B U S E which is not someone who is a Master is going to do.  Seriously dude, amputations? cannibalism. Time to go to bed you're not thinking clearly


The whole point of this thread is to encourage the slaves to leave abusive relationships.

We are not talking about healthy M/s relationships. We are talking about abuse, and about encouraging slaves to leave such relationships.


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RE: Slave's delusions - 6/6/2010 6:10:14 PM   
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