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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 12:54:48 PM   
ranja


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Status: offline 		Lally it is your world and not youre world

as for this:
Would anybody put a leash on their teenage daughter or son when shopping?
i don't think so

of course not, consent - remember?? - the thing that Ds and Ms is built on.

Even if the teenage daughter or son would ask for this treatment it is highly unlikely that any parent (who should naturally feel dominant over them at least at times) would oblige...
If Jeff would be unable to hold the leash while teaching Carol to stand up in the world... since it is nothing sexual... maybe he could ask his mother to let her out?

if you need to feel a connection you can always hold hands... if you need to have your unequal relationship the sub can walk to steps behind the Master
and these things are sensual/sexual too but far less shocking to the general public.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 12:55:37 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Again you lock on to sex. Not every thing we do is sex based or sex driven. Granted it all can be but there are a group of M/s folks for whom sex doesn't enter into the equation and I am one of them. Gorean and Victorian lifestyles to name two is neither slave nor SM driven and sex is a possibility but I have has slaves and sex was never an option. Rather the style of slavery is Domestic Service.

My point here is that when I take a girl leashed in public it may be because I chose to and it may also (as happened) because said slave was terrified being in public and getting lost. A leash was a practical answer and it was something she enjoyed. Now I will not attempt to speak for any slave I have unless I know for certain so it may be the girl is getting sexually turned on. having ED (FDS), sex is low on my agenda at any time. Aong the same line, it would be incorrect to say sex was a basis if I took a slave wearing a short top and low riders displaying her jewelled navel and bare flesh decorated with needles forming an intricate Celtic pattern. Now certainly I may get some perverse sexual pleasure displaying her body in the manner which many other young women do but it wouild be pride and a stick it in your face to a few select folk seeing me with a sensual, beauty with me (I would be in good company there including many Masters) I would be personally proud of my needle work being displayed publicly too.

As for punishing you even if your husband agreed is not an option and I never indicated it was. I forgave you which you appear to have forgotten. Your Master may wish to punish you but that is between you and him. I commented that an apology would have been appropriate rather then another diatribe insulting more of us older folk. But this is not forth coming so I let it rest .... Others shall think, say, post as they choose. I can and have forgiven you but not given you absolution..


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 12:57:23 PM   
leadership527


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja
Leadership... i see your reason a) and b) as you playing with your wife

Just to be clear, we are on the same page, right? We are discussing MY motivation for doing something? If that is correct, then I'm happy for you to interpret it however you want... but your interpretation is not fact. The last I checked, I am the world's foremost authority on what goes on in my own head.

So I'll say this again in slow motion for you. I was not playing with my wife. There was nothing erotic or sexual or sensual or any of those words going on. This was a demonstration of dominance and submission... nothing more.


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:00:09 PM   
Jeffff


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:02:20 PM   
ranja


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Status: offline 		Ah you see here is where the 'misunderstanding' is... you think that because you do not walk around with a raging hard on it is not sexual
whereas i do not need to be dripping wet ready to be fucked to think of something as sexual you see

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:12:00 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Kindly do not tell Me what I think. You nor anyone else knows what I think is sexy and what is sexual/sensual. Since you have again insulted Jeff and carol, why don't you insult and call out every male vanilla or not,  who walks with his girl when she is wearing provocative garb and proud to be with her. This is a normal male thing to do. It appears this is your sore point and especially if the males are in the older bracket. The issue is with you and you alone. You can not speak for all your community for what you personally find offensive others take it in their stride.  We have a few punk Goths in my local whose women are collared in public and at times leashed too. But then they are not "Old" so do they get a pass?

Had you initially just posted your opposition to any of this without making personal attacks you would not be backed into the corner you now are, silly girl. I'm tempted to try to locate you a kink friendly therapist to help you work through your anger issues and teach you how to express opinions without insulting others.


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:17:27 PM   
Jeffff


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:17:45 PM   
leadership527


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja
Ah you see here is where the 'misunderstanding' is... you think that because you do not walk around with a raging hard on it is not sexual whereas i do not need to be dripping wet ready to be fucked to think of something as sexual you see

Yes, I see that you have an unbecoming need to insult that which you do not understand. I also see that you have no real interest in understanding it at all, you just wish to be "right". Well, have at it.. but you'll have to do so without me from this point on. Next time I need someone to explain myself to me though, I'll know where to turn.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:23:03 PM   
ranja


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Status: offline 		I do not feel in a corner, sir and as i said, i am no spring chicken myself and my Husband is considerably older than i am... i have no problem with age and i have no problem with public displays.

I do however have a problem with people trying to 'sell' these public displays as 'normal life' and not 'sexually driven'
and when after sometime of life wild and ignorant youth has worn off then i think a person should know and understand what it is they do and why and how they come across.

i have no anger issues sir, i am having fun

ETA:
sir you said: "why don't you insult and call out every male vanilla or not,  who walks with his girl when she is wearing provocative garb and proud to be with her. This is a normal male thing to do"... yes it is and it is sexually driven sir

Also i do not mean to insult anybody and if any males or females here feel insulted because of anything i said, well man up, it is only my opinion




< Message edited by ranja -- 6/17/2010 1:29:29 PM >

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:24:33 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		How odd. I have a problem with people who insist they aren't being dumb

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:25:18 PM   
divi


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Status: offline 		Unlike ranja I do have an issue with personal displays especially with older men and some women. For that reason alone I will never go to hedonism again

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:28:36 PM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		I make an exception for divi.

She's funny


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:29:55 PM   
divi


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Status: offline 		As I do for you being old..

you're also funny :)

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 1:47:01 PM   
leadership527


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff
Might be SN's sister.
Believe it or not, I think that comparison is unfair to SocratesNot.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 2:06:15 PM   
Toppingfrmbottom


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Status: offline 		I am a  bit late to this discussion, but please, you're smart, don't  over react or read more into it than what was said.  she said DRAGGING, not walking, not being with, not our in public in plain sight. DRAGGING as in like  on a leash dragging them around. She feels that's inappropriate, and it's her right to feel so, and think so.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut


WTF.. so now walking down the stress with a tranny or someone crossdressing is kink and public play?



Wow.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/17/2010 7:43:32 PM   
Toppingfrmbottom


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Status: offline 		You're missing the point that it's not sexual play for some people.  Nor Sensual. To some they just do it because they want to, independent of arousal or sexual reasons.

It could be a great comfort to a sub or a slave to be on a leash in public, It does NOT have to be for sexual arousal, sexual thrill, or a sensual reason. That's where you seem to be stuck, you keep equating it with sexual reasons, since if it didn't make you horny, you wouldn't do it.
quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

IronBear... i might be sorry enough to take some punishment... if my Husband would allow it and you could be bothered... in public even...

Leadership... i see your reason a) and b) as you playing with your wife

to me it is indeed totally un-understandable that people of my age are making imo strange excuses for sexual play... however mild it is, it is sexual never the less... or maybe sensual would be the better word?

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/18/2010 2:27:54 AM   
ranja


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Status: offline 		Jeff, this is from your profile:

"For us, there is a relatively small kink component to this. We don't engage in SM and about the extent of the bondage is the collar, leash, and occasionally I cuff her while she's working just because I like seeing her submit physically"

again i like to point out that i do not have any problem with anybody doing their thing, but at the same time i fail to see how a kinky thing like having your partner on a leash (as you refer to it yourself in such a way) is not sexual...

And wether it makes anybody horny or not is not the point... i would argue that flirting is sexually driven aswell, but that does not mean to say that anybody who does a bit of flirting is horny

And if people can not understand why i think it is sexual, then i think that they are missing the point and some lovely intimate sexy power play is totally not picked up upon and wasted...
and all there is left is a sad and silly display of two adults, who should know better, playing dogs upsetting some members of the general public... but hey, if that is your thing go ahead.

Also someone mentioned there is a difference between a lead and a leash... can anybody explain what the difference is as i am un aware.


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/18/2010 4:37:10 AM   
Jeffff


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ranja

i am un aware.




Quoted for truth.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/18/2010 8:14:31 AM   
LadyHibiscus


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Status: offline 		Ranja, you are the new queen of the value judgement!

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/18/2010 9:32:43 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I just know I'm going to get mod slapped for this.

I'm pretty sure if Jeffff wanted his profile put up on this thread, he'd have done it himself.


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