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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:10:43 PM   
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Should laws be passed to protect the non-consenting public from being exposed to tattoos and piercings?  Or do people simply need to learn to be less sensitive and more accepting?




Good gravey I would be in trouble! Hell most of the people I know would be in trouble if there were laws against exposed tattoos. Lol

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:18:23 PM   
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I'm not your sweety, no where near actually (thank god). And I did indeed read your posts all of them and in all of them you seem hell bent on pushing your norms and standards on the rest of the population. You seem to thumb your nose to anyone who has a different set of standard than you and think yourself above them At least that is what I got out of every one of your posts in this thread.



I used the word sweetie amicably without any intention to offend. It's unfortunate you took it badly. I therefore take it back.

You seem intent on arguing with me rather than acknowledging another potential opinion. You also seem to ignore the parts where I say that I only hold myself and mine to those standards.

As much as you have the right to your opinion and standards, I have the right to mine. I'm not sure how me having my own desires and personal standards are infringing on you liberties.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:19:58 PM   
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Should laws be passed to protect the non-consenting public from being exposed to tattoos and piercings?  Or do people simply need to learn to be less sensitive and more accepting?



Good gravy I would be in trouble! Hell most of the people I know would be in trouble if there were laws against exposed tattoos. Lol


And that's my point. 

Tattoos seem to be fairly standard on the under 30 generation.  Yet many of those over 30 still have an aversion to them.  Particularly when they are viewed as "excessive".

So should the young remove their tattoos, or should the older folks become more tolerant?  After all, the older folks are the "non-consenting public" when it comes to your tattoos.


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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:25:59 PM   
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You seem intent on arguing with me rather than acknowledging another potential opinion. You also seem to ignore the parts where I say that I only hold myself and mine to those standards.

As much as you have the right to your opinion and standards, I have the right to mine. I'm not sure how me having my own desires and personal standards are infringing on you liberties.



i agree.  i don't think that Lady Angelika has tried to impose her views on others.  She has clearly stated that she believes in decorum, but that those opinions are hers alone.  Frankly, i even acknowledged sharing some of those concerns when it comes to dressing up for a night on the town.

The whole idea of "offense" and political correctness is a slippery slope with no easy answer.  That's why i bristle against the BDSM community's mantra of not exposing the non-consenting public.  What does that mean exactly?  i think we all agree (okay, not ALL) that we shouldn't do things that are illegal in public.  But beyond that, where do the lines belong?

The answers to those questions are dynamic, not static.  The lines move further with each generation.

This thread has shown that even we in the BDSM community don't agree on this very personal topic.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:26:39 PM   
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It isn't always about children. Sometimes it is about people that don't enjoy displays of overt sexual behavior while they are having dinner out or anywhere else. It's disgusting. Not impressed by someone trying to shock me, I find it incredibly juvenile and tasteless.


Agreed. I'm not even close to being a prude, but I do very much believe in decorum.

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Statemens like the one I quoted give ME the impression that you have no issue imposing your views or standards on those you may come into contact with one way or another.

BTW.. I wasn't intent on anything yet alone arguing with a random stranger on the internet but I don't like random strangers using pet names for me either. I find that offense and against MY standards of decorum and etiquette. Lol

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:30:56 PM   
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So should the young remove their tattoos, or should the older folks become more tolerant?  After all, the older folks are the "non-consenting public" when it comes to your tattoos.



But couldn't the same be said about those with tattoos. Could they not be the "non-conscenting public" exposed to people without tattoos?

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:32:21 PM   
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But couldn't the same be said about those with tattoos. Could they not be the "non-conscenting public" exposed to people without tattoos?



Touche! 

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 5:41:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shocking! No tattoos! I'm generally not into overt play in public, but my former Master sometimes held my wrist instead of my hand, or put his arm around me, then slid his hand up to tug my hair or hold the nape of my neck, underneath my hair so it wasn't obvious. I'd whisper in his ear to ask permission for things, and follow the protocol he had set for me at restaurants/etc.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 6:02:07 PM   
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AND STOP THE STUPID CRAP!

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 6:07:09 PM   
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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 6:08:15 PM   
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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 6:35:53 PM   
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It isn't always about children. Sometimes it is about people that don't enjoy displays of overt sexual behavior while they are having dinner out or anywhere else. It's disgusting. Not impressed by someone trying to shock me, I find it incredibly juvenile and tasteless.


Agreed. I'm not even close to being a prude, but I do very much believe in decorum.

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Statemens like the one I quoted give ME the impression that you have no issue imposing your views or standards on those you may come into contact with one way or another.


I can see that. And I know a lot of people do try to impose their views, so I can see why you would default to thinking that. That is why I tried to make many statements before and after that one where I specified that I didn't impose my views on other.

You know, when you think about it, no one is really going to get what they prefer, so we have to learn to just live with one another.

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BTW.. I wasn't intent on anything yet alone arguing with a random stranger on the internet but I don't like random strangers using pet names for me either. I find that offense and against MY standards of decorum and etiquette. Lol


I can understand that as well. But let me make a point with this. I could tell you that if you see a pet name you don't like, you could just look away ;-)

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 6:51:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		LA - the difference is you directed the pet name to ME personally. It wasn't something done that i over heard or that wasn't directed to me so there is a HUGE difference.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 7:01:33 PM   
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LA - the difference is you directed the pet name to ME personally. It wasn't something done that i over heard or that wasn't directed to me so there is a HUGE difference.


For the record, I apologized for offending you, even though it wasn't my intent, a few posts ago. Not much more I can do.

I thought you might have gotten a little laugh out of the irony of the comment... I guess you win some, you lose some ;-)

Cheers!

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 7:47:19 PM   
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What is considered acceptable in a society is always in flux. I was shocked the last time I attended the symphony on a Saturday night to find that many were attending in sneakers and jeans. Apparently this is acceptable now. My grandmother is probably rolling around in her grave. I personally will continue to dress up for such events.



And that is the crux of the entire matter.  Standards change.  Decorum changes.  And someone has to be on the forefront of leading that change.  i guess i view myself as a change agent.

Think about all of the things that are standard in YOUR life today that would have been viewed as an atrocity by 1950's standards.  Heck, most of primetime TV couldn't have been aired back then.  Remember, Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore were supposed to be married on the DVD Show, yet they slept in separate beds.  Today, you can see unmarried people in the same bed on almost any major drama series.  The times have changed.

Like you, i believe that a nice night at the theatre or symphony should be accompanied by a certain level of formality in our dress code.  However, society no longer seems to see it that way.  Even the best restaurants no longer require a shirt and tie.  You can go to any Broadway show or any symphony and see people in the audience in jeans.  Everything changes.

Today's youth embrace tattoos and piercings.  i'm sure that many older people are offended by it.  But time won't stop for those who are offended.

The gay community and the leather community have always drawn stares, and been judged by society at large.  But i commend them for not disappearing into the shadows for fear of offending those who can't accept their right to be who they are.

But despite my fervor in fighting for peoples' right to self-expression, i still wish that i could go out for a nice night of dinner and theatre and not be the only person still wearing a suit and tie. 



I have to agree with Lady Angelika, I dress for events, and the places I attend for dinner for example require a dress code. I have tattoos, however, they are hidden, and when I go out, I dress like it is an event. It is a shame to me that people no longer regard an evening out as something to dress for. I will never lower my standards, and they are mine only of course, but I think a night on the town with my man is a reason to look lovely and to dress for the occasion.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 8:19:06 PM   
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I have to agree with Lady Angelika, I dress for events, and the places I attend for dinner for example require a dress code. I have tattoos, however, they are hidden, and when I go out, I dress like it is an event. It is a shame to me that people no longer regard an evening out as something to dress for. I will never lower my standards, and they are mine only of course, but I think a night on the town with my man is a reason to look lovely and to dress for the occasion.


My point was not that NO places exist where they require a dress code.  My point was that they are becoming fewer and fewer.  Even places that have a formal atmosphere don't usually require a shirt and tie anymore.  Most restaurants had to abandon that policy when the majority of companies went to business casual attire.  By requiring shirt and tie, they were losing the corporate lunch crowd and the corporate after-work crowd.  That was too costly for the restaurants, so they had to ease their dress requirements. 

Theatres and churches have also followed suit.  Casual dress is now quite acceptable at many (most?) of them.  No matter what theatre or concert hall you go to, you will probably find someone in casual dress.  In more and more venues, casual is becoming the norm, rather than the exception.

i went to see "Wicked" recently, and the audience was probably split 60/40 with 60% being casual, and 40% being dressed up.  i found myself longing for the days when it would have been 0% casual, 100% dressed up.  But i fear those days are over. 

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 8:35:48 PM   
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My point was not that NO places exist where they require a dress code.


That is not the case in Montreal. We have everything for everyone here. Gosh I love my society. ;-)

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 8:35:52 PM   
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I have to agree with Lady Angelika, I dress for events, and the places I attend for dinner for example require a dress code. I have tattoos, however, they are hidden, and when I go out, I dress like it is an event. It is a shame to me that people no longer regard an evening out as something to dress for. I will never lower my standards, and they are mine only of course, but I think a night on the town with my man is a reason to look lovely and to dress for the occasion.



Oh I'm not saying that I don't dress for the specific event, infact I persnally love to dress up and go out. However, even then my tattoos are NEVER hidden. I wear them proudly like some women wear diamonds or pearls.

This kind of reminds me of a conversation I had with my 16 yr old recently regarding prom attire. The dresses she wanted/prefered where not approriate for prom IMO and since I was paying well she compromised. Lol

Roch is correct though even the places that have dress codes have lax dress codes. The reality is that is what brings in more people, because people want to be comfortable when out.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 8:43:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking back to tattoos, I've seen as many if not more tatts on blokes my age than the under 30s. Most of the older tatts are from early Biker Group blokes and of course damned nearly most of the Navy Blokes from WW2 had tatts which was one area which helped to popularise them even when I was a kid. When I got mine in 1963, my Mother near had a heart attack and raised merry Cain about them threatening to ban me from the family home unless my arms were covered. I know jobs where it is required to cover tatts in case customers feel threatened by large people with tatts on their arm. Several court cases were fought over this with a ruling that it was discriminatory to force people to cover tatts with the exceptions of: sexually explicit tatts or tatts promoting violence.

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RE: Public or Private Displays. - 6/9/2010 8:48:11 PM   
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I have to agree with Lady Angelika, I dress for events, and the places I attend for dinner for example require a dress code. I have tattoos, however, they are hidden, and when I go out, I dress like it is an event. It is a shame to me that people no longer regard an evening out as something to dress for. I will never lower my standards, and they are mine only of course, but I think a night on the town with my man is a reason to look lovely and to dress for the occasion.



Oh I'm not saying that I don't dress for the specific event, infact I persnally love to dress up and go out. However, even then my tattoos are NEVER hidden. I wear them proudly like some women wear diamonds or pearls.

This kind of reminds me of a conversation I had with my 16 yr old recently regarding prom attire. The dresses she wanted/prefered where not approriate for prom IMO and since I was paying well she compromised. Lol

Roch is correct though even the places that have dress codes have lax dress codes. The reality is that is what brings in more people, because people want to be comfortable when out.


DIS, you know I love you chickie...but...not all places have a lax dress code. There are several places here that require a jacket and a dress code and quite honestly sometimes I just don't want to go out and dine with people in jeans and t-shirts.

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