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43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 7:05:12 AM

rfd1

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LBJ recalled jets flying to save a US ship under attack, why?
Well they were being attacked by a nation that has POWERFUL allies within America, TOO POWERFUL.
Your tax dollars at work

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 7:41:57 AM

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quote:

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LBJ recalled jets flying to save a US ship under attack, why?
Well they were being attacked by a nation that has POWERFUL allies within America, TOO POWERFUL.
Your tax dollars at work

There is substantial off-the-record testimony (for obvious reasons) from many who were involved that...the Israelis were to sink the Liberty, then they and the US could blame it on Islamic terrorists. Similar to 9/11.

According to some, they would have except for one problem...the Russians showed up and bore witness to this attack.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 8:27:33 AM

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Wait a minute. You're telling me that the United States and Israel were going to blame this on a terrorist air force? Exactly which Middle East terrorist group was operating an air force at that time?

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 8:29:22 AM

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Panda.

You should know by now that facts and the real world are insignificant in the wonder that is Conspiracyland.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 8:31:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rfd1

LBJ recalled jets flying to save a US ship under attack, why?
Well they were being attacked by a nation that has POWERFUL allies within America, TOO POWERFUL.
Your tax dollars at work

Oh good, another conspiracy.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:12:17 AM

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This is no joke. Not in the least, and is substantiated.

But the idea was to blame it on Egypt, with whom Isreal was at war at the time. This is not Conspiracyland and I'm not taking that insinuation all that well - from anyone. This was one of this county's darkest days, in fact I consider it darker than 9/11. At least we are not sure if the WTC attack was supported by some elements of the US government. In the case of the USS Liberty there is no doubt, and it was at the highest level, the oval office. It was not incompetence, it was straight out treason.

What's more, on seconday analysis, Israel could've just contacted the US if they wanted a little privacy to take care of some dirty work. They were supposedly allies and that ship could've been ordered out of the vicinity quite easily. But the only reason for this whole thing was to set up a false flag operation, and the lives of US servicemen were considered forfeit. Those are not the actions of a leader, a leader must give a shit about those he leads. And if said "leader" doesn't give a shit about the lives of those who have pledged their lives to his service, what type of concern do you think he has for the rest of us ?

And if our leader has such a great concern for the well being of our "ally", Israel, why don't they reciprocate ? They wouldn't fucking exist if not for US support. The hubris and wreckless disregard for the common Man and/or soldier is one of the few things I find,,,,,,,,,, I just can't think of the word right now. Shit like this makes me wish there was a reall hell in which to burn these traitors. It also makes me want to relocate that planned glass parking lot in the middle east - to guess where.

And to dispute the authenticity of this "theory", go do that in front of those who survived the attack, with their discharge papers, medical records and records of service, who unanamously claim to eyewitnesses to the fact that the official record is still not set straight. Living most of their lives under a severe threat never to reveal the truth, but reconsidering due to their old age. The impetus being that the truth must come out. Why the fuck would they ALL lie at this stage of the game, with death iminent. That's almost as bad as claiming that someone's death bed statement is a lie. Sure it could happen, but what would be to gain ?

And then, another nail for the coffin - if you truly believe that these servicemen are all lying, for whatever reason, and have concocted this story about something that happened when I was six years old, you are going to have to buy into a hell of alot more conspiracy theories. Otherwise, your reasoning would have to be questioned.

So these people conspire to lie, for no personal gain while others never lie even for personal gain, despite their greed. What planet is this ?

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:15:26 AM

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PROOF?

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:16:29 AM

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Well that's it----Johnson will never be re-elected now.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:19:36 AM

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If folks can haul up gingrich out of the manure pit and try to pass him off as somthing other than the ignorant shitbreather that he is, I'd say that LBJ got a good shot at his old senate majority leader seat back, at the very least.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:28:29 AM

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"PROOF? "

If you are asserting that those who served on that ship are lying, in what is almost a deathbed statement, sorry, the burden of proof is on you.

In fact instead of that, why don't you just tell us the reasons, in your own words, just why they would lie under these circumstances ? Explain it to me so I may understand better how these old Men are benefitting from their collective prevarication ?

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:29:40 AM

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quote:

If you are asserting that those who served on that ship are lying, in what is almost a deathbed statement, sorry, the burden of proof is on you.

As a point in logic, the burden of proof is on the positive claim. That's you.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:34:42 AM

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The Liberty incident has been investigated a whole lot by a lot of people. The consensus has always been that it was a massive fuck up by the IDF not some wild eyed conspiracy to start WW3.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:34:47 AM

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PROOF?

For a guy who is normally well informed and open to discussion you seem to be closed minded on this.
It was on 60 minutes and a couple of google strokes would validate all of the relevant facts.
I have never noticed you to be one who required spoon feeding.
This is old news and well documented.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:45:03 AM

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"The consensus has always been that it was a massive fuck up "

And you expected them to say what ? And the recall ? The IDF did not recall those who were about to defend that ship. Or are you admitting that Israel actually runs our military, or at least did in 1967 ?

I don't see you as stupid, but I find it surprising that you always believe "the party line" so to speak. I see that as just as imbalanced as one who believes every conspiracy theory out there. (they know who they are) Neither extreme is sensible.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:49:50 AM

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Create a false flag.....against a nation already at war with?

Shit happens, it's almost never a conspiracy. This wasn't.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 9:55:25 AM

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quote:

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If you are asserting that those who served on that ship are lying, in what is almost a deathbed statement, sorry, the burden of proof is on you.

As a point in logic, the burden of proof is on the positive claim. That's you.

As a point in logic if I assert that the earth revolves around the sun would you want proof??????
Take a couple of google strokes and you will even find the tape of johnson saying "I want that god damn ship on the bottom.
This is not a new revelation...
If this were some esoteric off the wall assertion that had not been thouroughly researched you would have a point. The fucking israilies coughed up some 14 million dollars in compensation for the dead and wounded and the damage to the ship.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 10:13:39 AM

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"The fucking israilies coughed up some 14 million dollars in compensation for the dead and wounded and the damage to the ship."

Hmmm, I wonder how much we gave them in foreign aid that year.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 10:21:05 AM

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Create a false flag.....against a nation already at war with?

Shit happens, it's almost never a conspiracy. This wasn't.

Instead of trying to make this a left vs. right mindset how about you recognize that all of those asshats shit in the same bucket and that there are no good guys and bad guys.
There is just shit that happens to make the rich richer and the poor dead.

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RE: 43 years ago today, June 8th - 6/8/2010 10:21:47 AM

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