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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 7:29:59 AM

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Imagine that fire within 50 miles of your house......black smoke of a variety of compounds headed your way. I'd pass

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 7:33:29 AM

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I'm not sure that what they've already got isn't worse.

MM, if they were controlled burns and kept diligently as the oil surfaces?

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 7:36:25 AM

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tee,

All the oil would have to surface (we're talking about a sandy ocean bottom), and we'd have to have continuous calm waters.

Burning the oil is one of the first things they tried. And it worked sort of....until the wind picked up.

Burning is still part of the plan. This of course introduces new problems as well.

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 7:44:10 AM

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Just no good way to control the wind or even be that sure that there isn't toxicity moving into populated areas. Buring at the wellhead could make some sense but again you'd have to hope that the "bad actors" were dissipated before reaching populated areas.

End of the day there is no easy or fast or simple solution. Horrible images of wildlife that are being killed simply because we can't be inconvenienced with taking public transport or not driving to the grocery or insist that we have to replace our cell phones every year and simply toss the old plastic away...........

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 7:54:09 AM

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End of the day there is no easy or fast or simple solution. Horrible images of wildlife that are being killed simply because we can't be inconvenienced with taking public transport or not driving to the grocery or insist that we have to replace our cell phones every year and simply toss the old plastic away...........

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 8:21:19 AM

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Bumping this because I'm afraid I hijacked: (I'm sorry julia)

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I have looked over on the political forum and it is full of oil spill threads.... It got me to wondering about something, are we so divided in this country politically that no one thought to bring that topic on this forum?

I do not think that this is a political issue. We lost 11 human beings in that explosion, and a good portion of our coastline looks to be spoiled for generations. I do not think it matters what your political affiliation is, it is an epic tragedy for this entire nation.

I feel this sense of impotence in the face of this thing and my heart weeps for not only my countrymen along the coast, but for the marine life in the Gulf...

I wanted to post this here in a nonpolitical way, not to cast blame or to yell at each other, but to share how powerless I feel, and wondering if there are others that feel that way but do not want to get into the R v D debate.

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 12:51:17 PM

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I read somewhere that they are considering killing oil bound fish/birds/etc etc because its cheaper /more efficient and more humane to kill them than to make them suffer more than they have to, now while a number of larger aminals can be culled and later reintroduced, I still find it a horrible but possible solution, altho I really do see problems with it, its not gonna do the marine life much good and is still gonna fuck up the ecology for the next 20 or more years.

Theres not much we can do regarding the underwater its too deep for anyone but the pro's, theres not much we can do without hazmat suits and cleaning equipment, , its not like you can just turn up and help a whale or dolphin back into the sea(did that once to a dolpin in cornwall) and I think that is what is frustrating many many people, apart from the anger at the company and deregulation and sorrow and sadness for the families and animal life that is being devastated.

If anyone comes across a way to help..please inform here?

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 3:11:31 PM

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I think they should try relocating them....

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 3:24:46 PM

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Right, analyzing and understanding -- having an informed perspective on an event -- is a useless endeavor.

How exactly will a volunteer effort in the gulf prevent the next oil spill? Maybe because this is in OT discussion, we should leave that issue alone.

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 3:32:27 PM

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Right, analyzing and understanding -- having an informed perspective on an event -- is a useless endeavor.

How exactly will a volunteer effort in the gulf prevent the next oil spill? Maybe because this is in OT discussion, we should leave that issue alone.

I will address this after the umpteenth post on this thread you have made to derail it into a politics war...

There are plenty of places to get a soap box and scream about who is at fault, not only on this site, but many others... I agree with what you are saying, but that was not the purpose of this thread... Is it so hard for you to control posting about the political aspect about this? Why can't you look at it from a point that some people do not want to engage in the fucking finger pointing shit right now and we just want to talk about FIXING IT NOW. There will be plenty of time to fight over the rest later....

One thing I think we can all agree about is that BP has lied to everyone so much that the effort to clean it up should not be in their power, we need to get control over this situation and tell BP to go fuck themselves.

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 4:02:09 PM

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Sorry, this oil spill goes deep into American politics and culture.

Sorry, you can't read.

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 4:46:25 PM

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My point is that your whole project here in OT Discussion has been akin to separating Simese Twins.

A doctor cannot operate on a patient without a background in medicine and an understanding of his medical history.

A doctor also wants to correct a patients problem long term.

This Oil Spill is a symptom of America's sickness, so I'm sorry, I think we need to treat the underlying causes as well as surface ones.

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 5:14:37 PM

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Had to jumpthrough because, well just because. My boss and I talked about it today in fact. He says that the Earth has a way of cleansing itself. He mentioned about all the volcanic activity and shit like that, but the Earth still rights itself eventually. I said something like sure, but if it takes a hundred thousand years it does us no good.

In other words, it should be OK for future civilisations, if any. For us, it may be one of the seven signs of the apocolypse, but not forever. We may be someone else's future civilisation (if you can call it that) for all we know. But the Earth has been through hell before so it's likely to be able to take it again.

Not that this does us any good.

And my almost political opinion is that nobody should volunteer. Are they going to volunteer you some free gasoline ? My attitude is fukum. Let them bear the full cost. I hope a way is found to sue them if negligence is able to be proven. And in a way, BP was just a way to send the jobs at Standard Oil overseas. And them they had a nice big round of office closings here, and also abandoned my city. They don't care about us and I think people's time would be better spent putting severe public pressure on BP to clean up it's own damn mess. I'd like to see the company ruiined. They have contributed to our demise, I think times like these are quite fit to return the favor.

Sorry if you don't see it my way, but I think if they don't suffer enough they will just do it again. And really, if they would have done this before Katrina, think of how that would've went. It would be disbursed alright, but where ?

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 6:50:58 PM

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My point is that your whole project here in OT Discussion has been akin to separating Simese Twins.

A doctor cannot operate on a patient without a background in medicine and an understanding of his medical history.

A doctor also wants to correct a patients problem long term.

This Oil Spill is a symptom of America's sickness, so I'm sorry, I think we need to treat the underlying causes as well as surface ones.

Think of it this way. You've had a car accident and it's serious. Your guts are dangling out all over the place. You're rushed to the hospital - it's a crisis situation.

The first priority is to get your body put back together and save your life. At that time, no one really cares who is at fault, what the traffic conditions were like, or if you have a history of migraines. They just need to sew you back together.

That's what this thread is about - a discussion of pain, crisis, and sewing things back together.

The Political forum is the place to talk about fault, insurance claims, and traffic conditions.

OK?

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/9/2010 9:01:36 PM

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Great analogy!

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/10/2010 9:03:05 PM

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That is a pretty good retort.

I live in MD. I ride a scooter that gets 85 MPG. We are a one car household. We walk often and utilize public transportation.

If necessary, I will send money to the GULF.

This does not seem like much of a solution to me, but that's all I got.

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/10/2010 9:16:50 PM

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I take buses and trains, I have no car ( I gave mine to my mother)...

I mentioned a containment field earlier, I think a containment field to prevent further plumes is a good start to staunch the flow

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/10/2010 11:50:03 PM

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Worth watching. Brent Tuttle on bioremediation and microbes. This is a video which presents a proven solution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8JZmZntMWY

Here is Brent's site: SaveOurGulf.us.

http://www.saveourgulf.us/

(contains same video but has all sorts of other information)

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/11/2010 5:30:58 AM

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Brent Tuttle on bioremediation and microbes.

The trouble with using microbes is that when they eat oil they multiply. I know that should seem a good thing, but they also suck the oxygen out of the water, that is a bad thing. In fact it will cause dead zones in the gulf with a spill this size.

I agree it is an important piece of the puzzle in cleaning the oil out (especially out of the wetlands), but it is not the only thing we should do...

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RE: The Oil Spill - 6/11/2010 6:16:28 AM

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Perhaps a stupid idea, but how about people getting involved with their boats, sail boats even and dragging oil skimmers behind them. It is a man made disaster therefore man has to clear it up and seeing as we are the ones who demand oil production whether we like it or not, why should we not also be involved in clearing the mess made because of our need.

Get BP to purchase oil skimmers and anyone who wants to help, let them do so. A days sailing might have an important catch at the end of the day, less oil in the sea to wash up on beaches.

http://www.cleanupoil.com/oil_skimmer.htm

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