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Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The Non-B... - 6/9/2010 8:33:07 AM

MissAsylum

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For Philosophy Paper

In your PERSONAL expierence, which group (believers in some type of orgnaized religion/higher being or people who do not believe in any type of organized religion/higher being) has been more open to accepting your views on life or what you choose to believe in?

Again- in your PERSONAL expierence, have you delt with any resistance to your personal views from those who believe purely in facts and science or from those who have faith in a diety or organized religion?

I'm collecting information to do a study for my paper on Science vs Religion. PLEASE TAKE NOTE: I am NOT asking for you to try to prove or disprove any exsistance or lack there of God/ higher being, or to share your theories of why religion needs to be destroyed/celebrated, or other things of that nature. There are other threads for that discussion. So PLEASE try to stay on topic.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 8:35:57 AM

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Of course it depends on what views you are talking about...Perhaps you should post a particular view.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 8:41:07 AM

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Wow. What a crappy essay assignment. Essentially nothing but personal reflection, loaded with assumptions, with no look to meaningful course material.

That's what I'd write (in more tactful words, and support). It's an arbitrary lens through which to view the world. Who's teaching this trainwreck?

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 8:43:30 AM

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My answer isn't going to help your paper much, but I would say both sides are about equal. Both sides contain people that refuse to budge in their position and viewpoint. One of my best friends and a co-worker is a devout Christian, and I am a devout agnostic, and we get along fine. We both understand and respect the other's viewpoints, and neither of us tread on the other.

However, I've gotten into arguments with as many atheists as theists. Those that bother me are those that assume to know what can't be known. Both sides do it, theists assume to know that their deity created everything, and atheists assume to know that that deity does not exist. As an agnostic, I simply preach, "I don't know." Because it's the truth.

But it's the die hards in each group, that are so inflexible in their positions, that love to hate each other, that I get into arguments with. Neither side is innocent in this area.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 8:51:33 AM

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believers in some type of orgnaized religion/higher being

That one.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:22:13 AM

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Of course it depends on what views you are talking about...Perhaps you should post a particular view.

Butch

well for all intent and purpose, i'll post mine.

as some here may know, I am a Jew for Jesus. I am a Jew by birthright, but i do believe Jesus is God's son sent to die for our sins.

I personally am completely ok with those who choose not believe in God or any type of higher being, which tends to clash with the views of those I go to church or temple with. Your personal journey is just that: YOUR personal journey. I am only a person, i have no right to pass judgement, the same as any other person has no right to do so as well.

I choose to have faith in God the same as anybody can choose to have faith in a partner, friends, parents, and anybody else that has meaning in a person's life.

As far as getting resistance, i'd have to say its a mixture of both groups, but those who do not believe in a higher power tend to give me more grief. I often go towards the path of "we can just agree to disagree" in hopes of moving on, but its more often than not that those who do not believe will keep forcing their opinions on me.I appreciate the passion they typically have, but it does chap my ass a bit when I'm mature enough to respect their opinions, but they tend not to be bothered with doing the same. Again- this is just what I have encountered in life.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:24:07 AM

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Wow. What a crappy essay assignment. Essentially nothing but personal reflection, loaded with assumptions, with no look to meaningful course material.

That's what I'd write (in more tactful words, and support). It's an arbitrary lens through which to view the world. Who's teaching this trainwreck?

I still have to write the paper, regardless if you feel that its a meaningless assignment.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:25:18 AM

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Agreed. There are bad apples on both sides.

Thanks for your effort though.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:29:03 AM

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Wow. What a crappy essay assignment. Essentially nothing but personal reflection, loaded with assumptions, with no look to meaningful course material.

That's what I'd write (in more tactful words, and support). It's an arbitrary lens through which to view the world. Who's teaching this trainwreck?

I still have to write the paper, regardless if you feel that its a meaningless assignment.

You have my sympathies.

I did offer my approach. Worked for a similar grad school admissions essay years ago.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:32:08 AM

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thanks- but i'm pretty sure that approach would tarnish my 4.0 gpa.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:35:59 AM

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Depends on whether they're looking for critical thinking or jump through the hoops compliance.

You're the best judge of that circumstance, obviously, since you're the one who's there.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:38:47 AM

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thanks- but i'm pretty sure that approach would tarnish my 4.0 gpa.

I wish you hadn't said that.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:40:23 AM

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For me its neither. I get it from atheists for believing in a God. I also get it from believers who usually believe I am not believing the right way. I was raised in a Christian household and practically my whole family is comprised of preachers. Anyway I reject most of the teachings of modern Christianity and choose instead to believe in the teachings of Jesus. (no not the same thing at all) So technically I am an heretic to most religious people I know but still a religious nut to athiests. Ain't life beautiful?

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:40:40 AM

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I guess I am a private person and respect the privacy of others. I don't know the religion or lack of it in most people I know and have never asked anyone if they believe or don't believe in God.

Of course there are those that I have deduced their religion or lack of it but it seldom comes up in our conversations. I am tolerant of others personal beliefs and find most are tolerant of mine regardless of their thoughts on religion.

I have found that too much emphasis is placed on the radicals in our media friendly society when on a personal level most people are far more tolerant and take a much less radical stance.

Otherwise in general I believe there is very little difference between believers and non-believers when it comes to the tolerance of people who are different than themselves.

Butch

PS... edited to say In the United States anyway.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 9:50:48 AM

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As far as getting resistance, i'd have to say its a mixture of both groups, but those who do not believe in a higher power tend to give me more grief. I often go towards the path of "we can just agree to disagree" in hopes of moving on, but its more often than not that those who do not believe will keep forcing their opinions on me.I appreciate the passion they typically have, but it does chap my ass a bit when I'm mature enough to respect their opinions, but they tend not to be bothered with doing the same. Again- this is just what I have encountered in life.

The answer is simple there is no reason for anyone to respect your opinions and no reason for you to listen to anyone that doesn't.

I'm sure open mindedness has nothing to do with spiritual beliefs or lack thereof, it's an independent character trait.

I'm not really surprised you sided with the spiritualists they do indeed have very open minds, generally. My view is that when asking a question you should consider what other answers have already been given. It would be easy for me to write ten thousand words on what I believe to be true but it's much harder work to constrain my beliefs via the tangible facts that others have garnered through a scientific process. I don't have an open mind if it entails a person giving me their opinion about something if that opinion is ignorant of well established work. I will not shy away from pointing out to people that the questions they feel they've personally answered may have been answered in a more convincing way by various other individuals throughout history.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 10:06:47 AM

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The answer is simple there is no reason for anyone to respect your opinions and no reason for you to listen to anyone that doesn't.

I did not ask for a reason as to why it bothers me. It was a statement.

I'm sure open mindedness has nothing to do with spiritual beliefs or lack thereof, it's an independent character trait.

I'm not really surprised you sided with the spiritualists they do indeed have very open minds, generally.

I didn't side with anybody.

My view is that when asking a question you should consider what other answers have already been given.

The why did you bother to post? So far pretty much everybody has been giving me what i need for my paper- save for you.

It would be easy for me to write ten thousand words on what I believe to be true but it's much harder work to constrain my beliefs via the tangible facts that others have garnered through a scientific process. I don't have an open mind if it entails a person giving me their opinion about something if that opinion is ignorant of well established work.

I do believe i asked for the posters to refrain from statements like this.

I will not shy away from pointing out to people that the questions they feel they've personally answered may have been answered in a more convincing way by various other individuals throughout history.

see my last statement.

i'm curious- do you know the meaning of the phrase "stay on topic"?

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 10:15:20 AM

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Take it or leave it, if it's of no use then why comment???

Religion is ego versus ego whereas science is knowledge versus knowledge. Obviously some don't have the knowledge so they favour those flimsy social sciences.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 10:21:15 AM

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i'm writing a paper- not staging casual chit-chat, which is why i asked for everybody TO STAY ON TOPIC.

You've given me everything under the sun BUT what i asked the general populus for.

i didn't ask for you to draw assumptions/conclusions of others, nor did i ask for tons of fluff where you say pretty much NOTHING except for 1 sentance that had merit to what i was asking.

like i said- STAY ON TOPIC.

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 10:22:20 AM

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How about if he just writes it for you?

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RE: Acceptance/Resistance Among The Believers and The N... - 6/9/2010 10:24:59 AM

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i'm sure he has the capacity.

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