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AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/11/2010 9:50:21 PM)

When it doubt blame Bush or Regan.

When that fails just work your way down any GOP list.

QSM




Brain -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/11/2010 9:54:14 PM)

You can blame Cheney for this too but one good thing is you won't have to go to Canada for the oil sands now, you can mine the stuff on Florida beaches.

That's progress for you.




BP faces a new nightmare as oil causes Florida swimming ban - Americas, World - The Independent

By David Usborne, US Editor
Thursday, 10 June 2010


The environmental nightmare unleashed by the crippled BP oil well in the Gulf of Mexico crept further into the white-sand paradises of Florida yesterday with officials announcing a swimming ban along a six-mile stretch of popular lido while researchers warned of mass lay-offs in the state's all-important tourism sector this year.

The damage being inflicted on BP itself meanwhile continued to worsen as shares in London fell another 4 per cent in nervous trading that reflected the campaign by the federal government in Washington to shift all blame for the catastrophe on to the company by serving notice that it will be expected to pay all bills. Pressure on BP was even harsher in New York where its depositary shares closed down 16 per cent. "People are resigning themselves to the fact that there may be a suspension of the dividend," said Tony Shepard, an oil analyst at brokerage Charles Stanley in London.

The Interior Secretary, Ken Salazar, told US Congress he now expected BP to pay for the cancelled salaries of anyone unexpectedly without work because of the six-month moratorium on deep-ocean drilling announced in the wake of the blow-out.

A memorandum from Goldman Sachs, the Wall Street brokerage giant, meanwhile put at $33bn (£23bn) the eventual cost to BP for everything associated with the disaster, including clean-up, legal bills and compensation payments. The analysts said it may be a decade before all these costs have materialised, however. The bank predicted the two-quarter dividend holiday by the company in response to direct pressure from US politicians.

Tar balls have been puncturing the sands of Pensacola in Florida since last weekend. Yesterday, officials introduced the first swimming ban in the state associated with the leak, covering a six-mile stretch of Perdido Beach on the Gulf Shore Islands. The White House said Barack Obama, whose presidency has been knocked off course by the crisis, would make a fourth trip to the Gulf Coast next week, notably making his first stop since the disaster began in Florida, an all-important political swing state.

Sean Snaith, an economist with the University of Central Florida, released an initial study into the potential impact of the disaster on the state's economy, concluding that as many as 195,000 Floridians employed in the tourism sector could be laid off as a result of the spill. Mr Snaith contended that a direct hit by the surface slick on Florida could spell a 50 per cent drop in tourist visits. Exactly how serious a scenario will unfold is difficult to predict, he admitted. "The whole economic impact of the episode is a giant layer cake of uncertainty," he said. "How many counties will be affected? I don't know. We won't really know until the oil starts washing up on the shore."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bp-faces-a-new-nightmare-as-oil-causes-florida-swimming-ban-1996127.html





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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
I love the way you far left howlers go completely bonkers with all your weak, pathetic insults when you can't get your way in an argument, which is most of the time.


You rang?

Yes, I agree; it was the rent free apartment given to Rahm that directly led to the explosion and leak. I am sure Beck can diagram that connection on a blackboard for the rest of the howlers.


In point of fact, I would assign a small amount of blame on Dick Cheney personally; he DID oversee the slow dismantling of the regulatory apparatus, and he DID grant BP and Halliburton incredible access to government power and leniency.

However, even Cheney didn't force BP to cut corners, or force Halliburton to do shoddy work. There were plenty of fingerprints on this crime, and Cheney's are one of many.


There are plenty of reasons why Dick Cheney should be swinging from a rope*, but this is small entry on a long rap sheet.






* No. This was not hyperbole or rhetorical flourish.





Owner59 -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/11/2010 9:58:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan

When it doubt blame Bush or Regan.

When that fails just work your way down any GOP list.

QSM




Doubt?

What Doubt?

[:D]




Politesub53 -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 4:16:27 AM)

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oh and the info regarding moeny given by BP
During the 2008 election cycle, 77% of the industry’s $35.6 million in contributions went to Republicans, and in the 2008 presidential contest, Republican candidate Sen. John McCain received more than twice as much money from the oil and gas industries as Obama: McCain collected $2.4 million; Obama, $898,000



Stop posting facts as facts, that just aint fair you naughty girl. [;)]




Lucylastic -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 4:59:27 AM)

Nah  Polite, my post  doesnt implicate cheney as the only responsible one..but that is simply because theres enough shit to go around on this.. but the facts wont be taken into account I can guarantee it. I posted it before earlier in the week and it was ignored then too:)
Im howlin in the wind:)
at least i dont need to pee




Moonhead -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 6:05:30 AM)

There's always enough blame to go around.




Sanity -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:32:53 AM)


You're kidding right? Lucy's a raving idiot. Her links are disorganized and few have relevance to what I posted or to the thread, and some back what I wrote. For example, one of her links went to a page that indicated Obama took $3,533,398 from BP, but MM tried to claim in his OP that all the blame is solely on Dick Cheney for being in bed with BP and Halliburton...

Her shotgun shot of "facts" is a desperate and mindless attempt to show that Obama isn't in bed with BP, but she actually helped prove just the opposite.


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh and the info regarding moeny given by BP
During the 2008 election cycle, 77% of the industry’s $35.6 million in contributions went to Republicans, and in the 2008 presidential contest, Republican candidate Sen. John McCain received more than twice as much money from the oil and gas industries as Obama: McCain collected $2.4 million; Obama, $898,000



Stop posting facts as facts, that just aint fair you naughty girl. [;)]




Lucylastic -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:34:33 AM)

Told ya




Musicmystery -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:38:53 AM)

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MM tried to claim in his OP that all the blame is solely on Dick Cheney for being in bed with BP and Halliburton...


Has it ever bothered you that you can only retort points here by misrepresenting them?

Seems if you had anything valid you could address the actual points as stated. Not you! Invent different versions first...




Sanity -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:41:06 AM)


Read your thread title. [;)]




Musicmystery -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:41:44 AM)

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Obama took $3,533,398 from BP


How does that little chant you like go? Distract, deny, derail...?


http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005240042

from the article:
"Only problem is, contrary to Palin's and the media's suggestions, all of that money came from BP employees, not BP the company. A spokesman for the Center for Responsive Politics confirmed Monday that "the $71,051 that Obama received during the 2008 election cycle was entirely from BP employees." The CRP spokesman also stated that "Obama did not accept contributions from political action committees, so none of this money is from BP's PAC. And corporations themselves are prohibited from donating directly to candidates from their corporate treasuries."

Seems like Palin was yapping about a whole lot of nothing.

You too.




Musicmystery -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:42:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Read your thread title. [;)]

Read the articles and their links.

Address the points they raise instead of changing the subject.




Sanity -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:49:24 AM)


Don't cry Tim, you can still throw your little tantrum about that mean old Dick Cheney, I'm just pointing out that your precious precious Obama has close ties to BP as well.

Which isn't off topic at all.




Musicmystery -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:51:42 AM)

Still got nothing, huh?

When misdirection fails, time for name-calling.

*yawn*

Still fails to address the points--presumably because they're correct as presented.




Sanity -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 7:58:07 AM)


Like you and your friends are above a little name calling Tim?

Or trying to wreck any threads you don't like? Which I'm only responding to you here, you're in this little supposed derail yourself. In fact, you began it.






Sanity -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 8:00:15 AM)


Oh - I get it now. You're playing in a cute little fantasy world wherein all these contributions aren't really from the companies...

I bet you don't play that game of pretend when you're discussing Conservative politicians.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Obama took $3,533,398 from BP


How does that little chant you like go? Distract, deny, derail...?


http://mediamatters.org/blog/201005240042

from the article:
"Only problem is, contrary to Palin's and the media's suggestions, all of that money came from BP employees, not BP the company. A spokesman for the Center for Responsive Politics confirmed Monday that "the $71,051 that Obama received during the 2008 election cycle was entirely from BP employees." The CRP spokesman also stated that "Obama did not accept contributions from political action committees, so none of this money is from BP's PAC. And corporations themselves are prohibited from donating directly to candidates from their corporate treasuries."

Seems like Palin was yapping about a whole lot of nothing.

You too.




Musicmystery -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 8:04:25 AM)

And yet, still nothing about the thread's points.

Cheney that hard to defend? That's probably a challenge, I know.

As for the rest---you already have a thread going on that. Not enough action there for ya?

But here, you've got nothing---over and over and over, expect putting your fingers in your ears, jumping up and down, and shouting "Nuh-uh!"

Facts are, here is an environmental and economic disaster that not only could have, but should have been prevented with proper regulation.




Sanity -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 8:09:29 AM)


I'm not defending Cheney - I'm laughing at you for being so obvious in your denial.

Who is president?  Who gave BP a safety award just prior to the accident?


Shifting blame won't change the facts, the best you can do is get a few pats on the back from your far left friends who look at things through the same sort of crazy kaleidoscope that you do.






mnottertail -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 8:16:06 AM)

It wasn't Obama, it was OSHA.




Musicmystery -> RE: Who's to blame for the oil spill? Dick Cheney. (6/12/2010 8:26:58 AM)

Tommy, tommy, tommy.

Read.


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"The Gulf of Mexico oil spill could end up being the worst American man-made environmental catastrophe of this generation. With the oil still spilling and investigations into the causes yet to come, it's too early to neatly assign blame to any one person. But for now, let's hold Dick Cheney personally responsible for the whole thing.

"Here's the evidence: The Wall Street Journal reports that the oil well didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch. The reason it didn't have a thing that it seems every single offshore drilling rig should have? According to environmental lawyer Mike Papantonio, it's because Dick Cheney's energy task force decided that the $500,000 switches were too expensive, and they didn't want to make BP buy any.

"Is that not enough reason to blame the former Dark Lord of the Naval Observatory? Guess what: Halliburton is involved, too! The Los Angeles Times reports that BP contracted Dick Cheney's old company to cement the deepwater drill hole. Cementing the hole was, according to the U.S. Minerals Management Service, "the single most-important factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period." And Hallburton is already under investigation for faulty cementing in an Australian well last year.

"The spill will very likely destroy the fragile economies of at least five states and it could even plunge the nation back into a recession. So thanks, Dick. Nice work."

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