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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 9:37:50 PM   
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Obama and his withering fan club have no problem sinking to whatever level. 


Sanity and his withering dick would sink to whatever level to get some gash.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 9:43:46 PM   
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So you're a Beck fan now? Good to hear - but that bit of parody isn't about Beck either, its about how way our man-child president tried to use his kids to shield himself from tough questioning, and theres no reason to apologize for duly criticizing him over it.

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The picture you posted does. Beck even acknowledged that, appologized for it. Now your plastering it across the message board likes its some proud flag to be wearing.

But im not surprised at your lack of decency.


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 9:44:53 PM   
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I keep asking Obama`s critics to tell what they would do differently down there.

Dead silence.

So here`s your chance republicans.

Tell us what John McCain or Sarah Palin would be doing(that Obama`s not)to deal with this disaster?

Specifically.How do we plug the leak, 5000 feet down?

Please please please do tell.

The suspense is killing us,errrrrr,the Gulf Of Mexico.

The left is also critizing Obama,for not being farther to the left.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100610/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2532


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 9:49:34 PM   
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Something other than try to shift the blame perhaps? As in show some real leadership, even go so far as to stay off of the golf course and away from his extravagant partying in the White House as the disaster unfolds, in order to at least give the appearance that hes engaged?

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 9:51:24 PM   
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That's what the OP asked.

Still, you got nothing.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 10:01:15 PM   
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So you're a Beck fan now? Good to hear - but that bit of parody isn't about Beck either, its about how way our man-child president tried to use his kids to shield himself from tough questioning, and theres no reason to apologize for duly criticizing him over it.

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The picture you posted does. Beck even acknowledged that, appologized for it. Now your plastering it across the message board likes its some proud flag to be wearing.

But im not surprised at your lack of decency.



There is enough to criticize him over without reducing yourself to the snake-in-the-grass level by dragging his children into a debate in a vain attempt to earn points. What you have ended up doing is showing the rabid side of politics that everyone is sick to death of.

Im no Beck fan. I do appreciate his ability to recognize when he steps out of line... though he did so only after the nasty backlash he received over his comments.

Too bad you cannot even manage to rise to that level.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 10:04:39 PM   
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Something other than try to shift the blame perhaps? As in show some real leadership, even go so far as to stay off of the golf course and away from his extravagant partying in the White House as the disaster unfolds, in order to at least give the appearance that hes engaged?


OH you just had to go there, didnt you. And what was your hero doing when Katrina hit?

In the south we have a saying....

clean up around your own back door before pointing out the messes of others.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/14/2010 11:23:44 PM   
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I agree with Rush's take on Obama's handling of the crisis:

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Man-Child President Insists He's Been on the Case Since Day One




http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html




You say that as if you had a choice in the matter....




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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 5:17:01 AM   
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And you recall how Bush was slammed if he set foot on a golf course while we were losing soldiers (as we currently are), and during the Katrina crisis?


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OH you just had to go there, didnt you. And what was your hero doing when Katrina hit?

In the south we have a saying....

clean up around your own back door before pointing out the messes of others.


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 5:26:48 AM   
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Obama Can't Stop the Oil SpillActing like politicians can solve all our problems just makes us look weak.
By Anne ApplebaumPosted Monday, June 14, 2010, at 8:01 PM ET

In the Gulf of Mexico, plumes of black oil are gushing into the ocean, coating the wings of seabirds, poisoning shellfish, sending tar balls rolling onto white Florida beaches. It is an ecological disaster. It is a economic nightmare. And there is absolutely nothing that the American president can do about it. Nothing at all.
Here is the hard truth: The U.S. government does not possess a secret method for capping oil leaks. Even the combined wisdom of the Obama inner circle -- all of those Harvard economists, silver-tongued spin doctors and hardened politicos -- cannot prevent tens of thousands of tons of oil from pouring out of hole a mile beneath the ocean surface. Other than proximity to the Louisiana coast, this catastrophe has nothing in common with Hurricane Katrina: That was an unstoppable natural disaster that turned into a human tragedy because of an inadequate government response. This is just an unstoppable disaster, period. It will be a human tragedy precisely because no government response is possible.
Which leads me to a mystery: Given that he cannot stop the oil from flowing, why has President Obama decided to act as if he can? And given that he is totally reliant on BP to save the fish and the birds of the Gulf of Mexico, why has he started pretending otherwise -- why is he, in his own words, looking for someone's "ass to kick"? I suspect that there are many reasons for this recent change of rhetorical tone and that some of them are ideological. This is, of course, a president who believes that government can and should be able to solve all problems. Obama has never sounded particularly enthusiastic about the private sector either, and some of his congressional colleagues -- the ones talking of retroactively raising the cap on BP's liability, for example, or forcing BP to pay for the lost wages of other oil companies' workers -- are downright hostile.
A large part of the explanation, however, is cultural: Obama has been forced to take a commanding role in a crisis he cannot control because we expect him to -- both "we" the media and "we" the bipartisan public. Whatever their politics, most Americans in recent years have come to expect a strong response -- an invasion, massive legislation -- from their politicians in times of crisis, and this one is no exception. We want the president to lead -- somewhere, anywhere. A few days ago, the New York Times declared that "he and his administration need to do a lot more to show they are on top of this mess" and should have started "putting the heat" on BP much earlier -- as if that would have made the remotest bit of difference.
But Mitt Romney, who last I checked is right of center, sounded almost exactly the same note: Obama, he said, should be "leading this entire effort to bring together the experts, the various oil company executives, the engineers from various oil companies as well as from the various academic think tanks." This comment reminds me of the time the European Union solemnly decided to form a committee to fight unemployment, as if that were an actual solution. I also love the idea that all of those offshore oil engineers twiddling their thumbs at think tanks -- the Heritage Foundation? the Brookings Institution? -- are only waiting for the president's phone call to spring into action.
In truth, the organization most likely to have the phone numbers of the "experts" is BP. The organization that will get them to Louisiana fastest is BP. I am writing this not because I like, admire or even have an opinion about the company formerly known as British Petroleum but because BP's shareholders have already lost billions of dollars and BP's executives are motivated to find solutions faster than anyone in the White House ever could. Bashing BP or seeking to punish BP is pointless. This is not only because we will soon learn that many companies -- American, Japanese, even Halliburton -- were responsible for that rig but also because whatever the solution, BP has to be part of it.
Paradoxically, "talking tough" about this oil crisis also makes both Obama and America look weak internationally -- just as "talking tough" about Iran made the Bush administration look weak. Harsh rhetoric is fine if it reflects a real will to do something, a real plan of action and the existence of a Plan B, for when the first one fails. But when angry words -- anti-BP, anti-British, anti-oil company -- reflect the absence of any alternative policy whatsoever, they sound pathetic. It's right for Obama to be concerned about the consequences of this disaster, but wrong -- and dangerous -- for him to pretend he is capable of controlling it. We should stop calling on him to do so.
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RE: Where is DICK? An Answer - 6/15/2010 5:38:38 AM   
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Why Is Dick Cheney Silent on the Oil Spill?
The former vice president is usually a vociferous defender of his time in government. But not on the disaster in the gulf
When the Obama administration, or the media, or just about anybody contradicts Dick Cheney's views on national security, he is far from shy about responding. But facing a firestorm of criticism over the oil spill, he's been notably silent. 
More than national security, energy policy and the oil industry might be considered Cheney's real areas of expertise. He was chairman and CEO of oil-services company Halliburton between 1995 and 2000. And, of course, he worked prominently on energy policy as vice president from 2000 to 2008. 
Halliburton was working on the Deepwater Horizon rig just before it blew up, opening the well and sending oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico. Some experts have speculated that the company may have been to blame for the explosion. The pro-oil atmosphere (and Cheney's continued links to Halliburton) during his vice presidency, have also come to the fore since the April 20 accident. 
The criticisms center on a possible conflicts of interest and cronyism. Cheney received a $34 million payout when he left Halliburton to join George W. Bush's ticket in September 2000. But the Congressional Research Service found that he "retained ties" to the company into 2003, while in government, through "unexercised stock options and deferred salary." 
In 2001 Cheney headed a team tasked with developing national energy policy. The Washington Post reported that many of those consulted were from big oil and gas companies, some also donors to the Bush campaign and the Republican Party. The task force's executive director, Andrew D. Lundquist, subsequently became a lobbyist representing companies who appeared before him—including, according to the Post, BP, Duke Energy, and the American Petroleum Institute. Critics accused the administration of cronyism, and argued that the National Energy Policy Report, issued by the White House in May 2001, was unfairly lax toward the "dirty energy" companies at the expense of renewable and sustainable alternatives. 
 
In 2005 President Bush signed the Energy Policy Act, which retained the focus of Cheney's report, into law. It included what has become known as "the Halliburton loophole," which removed authority from the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate a potentially dangerous gas-drilling process invented by Halliburton.  
 
These links, the fact that Cheney's former campaign press secretary Ann Womack-Colton has recently become BP's head of U.S. media relations, and the general pro-oil, anti-regulation atmosphere in the Bush years have not escaped the attention of the pundits. MSNBC's Chris Matthews highlighted the Halliburton-Cheney connection in an interview with Jay Leno on the BP spill. Frank Rich, in The New York Times, pointed out that the Interior Department degenerated into a "cesspool of corruption," under Bush and Cheney, and that the pair bequeathed Obama "a Minerals Management Service as broken as the Bush-Cheney FEMA exposed by Katrina."
His ears ringing with the cries of "Cheney's Katrina," a title many are striving to bestow on the gulf oil spill, one might expect the former VP to convene journalists for a speech, like he did in May last year at the right-wing American Enterprise Institute to talk about national security. That lengthy rebuttal was timed specially to coincide with a speech President Obama gave on the same topic—a ploy calculated to get the maximum press attention. The closest we have this time is Liz Cheney, Dick's daughter, arguing with Arianna Huffington on ABC's This Week. 
We wondered why. Are the claims too substantial to refute? Is Cheney so incensed that he cannot trust himself to speak? Or, conversely, is he perhaps so sanguine about the entire issue that he doesn't feel it merits comment? We reached out to Cheney, via the American Enterprise Institute, to ask. But, perhaps unsurprisingly, there was no response by the time we posted this.

From Newsweek.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 5:51:54 AM   
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And you recall how Bush was slammed if he set foot on a golf course while we were losing soldiers (as we currently are), and during the Katrina crisis?



I see.

So you have decided it is your personal responsibility to balance the scales of justice for Dubya?

What dedication!

Now tell me again about those Obama worshipers.

And also remind me how Bush is out of office so he should no longer be a subject of conversation. 

Do as I say not as I do Sanity?


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 5:58:33 AM   
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In this instance, I'm just pointing out how you far left zealots demand to be held to far lowers standard, rml.

How your current president can't  come close to the standard you thought was acceptable for George Bush...








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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 6:17:31 AM   
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I keep asking Obama`s critics to tell what they would do differently down there.

Dead silence.

So here`s your chance republicans.

Tell us what John McCain or Sarah Palin would be doing(that Obama`s not)to deal with this disaster?

Specifically.How do we plug the leak, 5000 feet down?

Please please please do tell.

The suspense is killing us,errrrrr,the Gulf Of Mexico.

The left is also critizing Obama,for not being farther to the left.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100610/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2532


The Sound of Silence





And here I thought the sound of silence was because the original question was so stupid. I mean seriously, how would anyone know what McCain would do? And what difference would it make if they did. Now I know 59 was really hoping he could get some good conservative bashing in here, but some things have nothing to do with the right vs. left bullshit that so many people on CM love to feed. My guess is he would be doing the same things that Obama is doing. I just hope they come up with a solution very soon.


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 6:18:13 AM   
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Again, for the terminally stupid - Obama is the one who dragged his children into the debate, and whats being said about that doesn't have anything to do with his children, its how hes trying to hide behind them, how he uses them to try to gain sympathy.

Not much of a man, hard for him to kick any ass when hes cowering behind his kids.

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There is enough to criticize him over without reducing yourself to the snake-in-the-grass level by dragging his children into a debate in a vain attempt to earn points. What you have ended up doing is showing the rabid side of politics that everyone is sick to death of.

Im no Beck fan. I do appreciate his ability to recognize when he steps out of line... though he did so only after the nasty backlash he received over his comments.

Too bad you cannot even manage to rise to that level.






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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 7:07:06 AM   
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Again, for the terminally stupid

OK, here you go....



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I keep asking Obama`s critics to tell what they would do differently down there.

Dead silence.

So here`s your chance republicans.

Tell us what John McCain or Sarah Palin would be doing(that Obama`s not)to deal with this disaster?

Specifically.How do we plug the leak, 5000 feet down?

Please please please do tell.

The suspense is killing us,errrrrr,the Gulf Of Mexico.

The left is also critizing Obama,for not being farther to the left.....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100610/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2532


That's what the OP asked.

Still, you got nothing.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 8:32:20 AM   
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Its fun to see you playing forum cop, Tim - but I notice your selective enforcement. You never try to pull any of your fellow far left posters over if they wander just slightly away from the topic.

And just because you can't understand what was posted previously answering the OP doesn't mean it wasn't addressed. The current post you are responding to was following the part of the thread where taz is insisting that I am attacking Obamas children, and if you don't like my responding to the taz thats just too bad, because you can kiss my ass.


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 8:34:04 AM   
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Just pointing out you've got nothing. That's all.

Again.

Maybe Rush will tell you what to think later.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 8:35:58 AM   
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Ever address issues, troll, or is attacking people who do discus politicians and issues all your tiny little mind capable of?






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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 8:37:14 AM   
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Yes, I do, and I have, addressed issues.

If you think of anything, do post.

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